Xref: utzoo news.admin:12782 news.misc:6266 comp.mail.uucp:6105 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!rutgers!mcdchg!ddsw1!karl From: karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) Newsgroups: news.admin,news.misc,comp.mail.uucp Subject: Re: New rules for UUPSI Summary: Not around here they can't! Message-ID: <1991Mar16.053429.23172@ddsw1.MCS.COM> Date: 16 Mar 91 05:34:29 GMT References: <1991Mar5.141606.1797@uu.psi.com> <1991Mar10.023408.3693@ddsw1.MCS.COM> Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc., Wheeling, IL Lines: 47 In article peter@taronga.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >In article <1991Mar10.023408.3693@ddsw1.MCS.COM>, karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) writes: >> There are others who don't charge at all, under any number of circumstances. >> All one has to do is ask around. In general if you're able and willing to >> help out, you don't end up paying anyone other than Ma Bell. > >This might well be a more substantial sum than the $75 per month UUPSI >charges. I doubt it. You see, I live in an area where ALL calls are timed (at least from "business" phones) and all calls are timed if more than 8 miles in distance, from business OR residential lines! I pay something like $300 a month to Ma Bell; I can't lay out another $75. Now, if it were JUST the $75... but that won't happen around here. >> If you want "up to the second Usenet" then you might need something more >> direct, and have to pay for it. In that case perhaps you're a potential >> customer. > >I don't know where you are, but in a lot of places the traditional methods >give you at best 2-day-old Usenet. Sometimes older than that. Well, I get nearly-instant Usenet (about 3-4 hours delay, most of the time). Plenty good enough for me and those who feed from me. >> Now, if PSI (or anyone else) can demonstrate that they can get the mail >> and news to me cheaper, easier and more reliably than I can with the >> current model of operation (cooperative interconnection) AND has a >> cooperative attitude rather than a combative one I would buy their >> service. That's only good common sense. > >For folks in less well connected parts of the U.S., they can. We're talking >$75 versus hundreds of dollars. In places where there are no feeds AND a local indial, you have a point. How many places are like that? PSI can't make any money if there is no use of the indials, and leased lines aren't cheap. I bet their backbone only goes to heavily populated areas, which usually have "free" feeds (or lower cost) available... -- Karl Denninger (karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM, !ddsw1!karl) Public Access Data Line: [+1 708 808-7300], Voice: [+1 708 808-7200] Copyright 1991 Karl Denninger. Distribution by site(s) which restrict redistribution of Usenet news PROHIBITED.