Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!mcsun!unido!fauern!ira.uka.de!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!csn!alumni.colorado.edu!wouk From: wouk@alumni.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: Big Brother charging for modem use? Message-ID: <1991Mar2.023716.13851@csn.org> Date: 2 Mar 91 02:37:16 GMT References: <7X9kw3w163w@bluemoon.uucp> Sender: news@csn.org (news) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 84 Nntp-Posting-Host: alumni.colorado.edu In article <7X9kw3w163w@bluemoon.uucp> cmcurtin@bluemoon.uucp (Matthew Curtin) writes: >Greetings! > >I've been hearing roumors about the FCC charging us EXTRA for using modems >(as opposed to just using voice). How could the FCC regulate this, as it >seems to me that the phone companies alone would be responsible for this. > >If this is true, this is certainly just a scheme by some beaurocrat to >make an extra buck and hinder us from communicating with each other in >this manner. What could be done to stop it? > i would like to comment on this matter based on my knowledge gained from being in a company that was bought out by a telephone company (GTE) over 30 years ago. (i didn't stay around toolong after thast.) the principle on which telephone service works is that of 'concentration'. it is too expensive to run a single line from each terminal point ((telephone, ...) to the switching center and hence pn th the network. instead, local concentrators exist to serve a given number of phones (say 10) on the basis that not more than one of them will need service at any one time. actually this is an obvious oversimplification, but it makes the point. these concentrators again may be concentrated one or more times before reaching the switching station. at the switching station you enter the world of trunk lines with much capacity, but again based on a predicted usage level. the point of this is, the physical plant is based on a specific predicted utilization level, based on a well established pattern of utilization by different types of users: home, business, etc. since business use is very heavy, it is harder to reduce the number of lines used to provide a given level of service, so more physical lines need to be run from the terminus on in through the concentraters. this is very expensive, and busnesses pay more for phone use for that reason. home use is much lighter, and the degree of concentration possible is greater. so the introcution of a modem into residential areas provides a very different type of load to the system than a person to person phone call. i for instance, tend to log in for from 10 minutes to two hours at a time. this degrades the service offered to others on my concentrator, since i tie up one its outgoing lines very significantly. in a sense this is the sort of phenomenon which makes family people tend to have a dedicated line for their computers. the same queing problems for a single line lead to immense dissatisfaction in the household, because of the degraded service to the non-modem user! anyway, as you can see, if you introduce this perturbation to the service demand, the phone company will have to make more capital investment to provide the same level of service to the other users on your concentrator. now, the FCC enters because it has jurisdiction of rate setting in certain case, while the state utilities commission has similar duties in other cases. the point is that we modem users are free loading on a system designed for the usual distribution of personal phone calls. i would not be surprised if some ruling from some government agency doesn't eventually force us to pay extra for the extra demands which we make. in order for that to be done a rather complicated analysis of the distibution of modem based uses had to be mnade. for instance, if we use uucp from 2am to 3am for regular downloads, we don't really pose an extra system load. if we try to run for several hours on mother's day, for instance, we make things very difficult. so it is hard to judge what the extra cost really is. now: this all could change if a fiber optic line was used for service all the way down to the household level, or even say to the first concentrator level. the huge capacity of such lines would make the whole discussion above irrelevant. but the cost of running fiber optics so far down the tree of the system might make ALL phone service too expensive for most people. i really can't guess about that. so don't blame the phone companies so much, and think about what we do as partially freeloading on others. since i happen to be retired, most of my usage occurs at a time when my neighbors are all away at work, so i don't believe that i downgrade their service significantly. can you say the same? -- arthur wouk internet: wouk@cs.colorado.edu