Path: utzoo!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!dmshq!com50!rosevax!atc!s5000!gray From: gray@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com (Bill Gray x2128) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: Fooling the censors Message-ID: <138@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com> Date: 13 Mar 91 20:11:32 GMT References: <532@iczer-1.UUCP> <1991Mar13.033143.29172@ddsw1.MCS.COM> <1991Mar13.061240.9825@ddsw1.MCS.COM> Organization: Unisys - Roseville, MN Lines: 36 karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) writes: >When you, as the downstream site, buy me the modems, disk space, CPU and >electric power that I need to run the machine, and pay me to run it, THEN >AND ONLY THEN can you tell me what to carry here. Believe me, you won't >like the bill you get should you really try to do this :-) >It's my disk, my electricity, my machine and my phone bill. Since I pay >the bills, I choose what I carry AND distribute. I notice that Karl is posting from a .COM site. It seems to me that this strengthens his position, namely that he is using his own resources and can do with them as he sees fit. From this it follows that he can pass or drop all or part of a news feed as the Spirit moves him. But I *think* the original poster complained that some unknown entity upline from him was dropping a.s.p. In a followup article, the upline entity made himself known and explained that: 1.) his charter didn't say anything about propagating dirty pictures and 2.) his system didn't have enough disk capacity to handle the phenomenal traffic a.s.p generates. But I believe the upline entity was a tax-supported institution. If that is true, it may be worthwhile to ask why rec.autos (for example) is worthy of a tax subsidy and alt.sex.pictures is not. One could dwell on the damage done to our ecology by autos, the economic implications of extravagant oil consumption due to our cultural dependence on cars, the loss of life and the other health effects of cars, etc., and perhaps make a case as damning to rec.autos as can be made against alt.sex.pictures (which, I hasten to add, I am not defending). Bill -- : gray@rsvl.unisys.com : : : : My gun is safer than Ted : : Unisys has enough problems without being : Kennedy's car. : : blamed for my personal opinions. : :