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From: pat@grebyn.com (Pat Bahn)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Re: Are Undergrads, more valuable then working professionals?
Keywords: Controversy, Policy, Stipend.
Message-ID: <1991Mar15.001142.10113@grebyn.com>
Date: 15 Mar 91 00:11:42 GMT
References: <1991Mar14.001156.15961@grebyn.com> <1991Mar14.202303.5159@rodan.acs.syr.edu>
Reply-To: pat@grebyn.UUCP (Pat Bahn)
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In article <1991Mar14.202303.5159@rodan.acs.syr.edu> jstewart@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ace Stewart) writes:
>This is certainly a worthwhile subject to talk about, and considering
>First off, a very key difference in these two groups is income. I
>realize that "adults <- careful there" have mortgage payments etc, but
>with a $25,000 year salary, budgetary planning is considerably
>different than OWEING that 3/4 of that to an institution. (If you
>believe that to be false, think about a middle class family with one
>person in college and you will realize that no assistance shows up.)
>

True, but most people under age thirty still have student loan payments,
Especially if you put yourself through school.
>I would never have had the chance to attend USENIX without the
>Berkeley Grant...are you hearing this? NEVER HAD A CHANCE. While I am
>not discussing the unemployed issue, I take it the original poster has
>been to these conferences on his own money. Quite frankly, I cannot do
>that, you can, so there is something to be said for the way Berkeley
>is doing things. (i.e. it's right)

I agree perfectly.  When I was an undergrad, I didn't have two nickels
70% of the time.  If i was an undergrad now, the only way I could go to
a usenix would be on a berkeley grant.  Heck, when I go to usenix now, I
split a room, to keep down costs......

My employers are pretty benighted.
>
>As for the comparison as to USENIX and UNIX being designed that way,
>quite frankly I think the comparison is pointless. I don't even
>understand where it came from or why it was included. Elaborate?  :)
>

I was just pointing out that UNIX came out of an academic environment
and that the people running usenix are very attuned to problems facing
academics.  I just wanted to point out that the community is a heck of
a lot bigger now then a bunch of grad students.  Unix was pretty much a
research environment tool until the early 80's.
>As for the unemployed issue, I like it. I believe that people without
>a chance should get one. At the same time, if they are unemployed and
>receiving unemployment checks, what little I understand I think the
>money should be directed to a flight to wherever this person is
>considering working and use that money in a more "get to the employer
>and interview." Just my opinion.
>

I agree fully, it's just usenix allows you a chance to find out what
companies are good, who is hiring and what is happening on the
technology front.

Spend a month out of the business and your amazed.
Spend 6 months out and you are obsolete.....

Oh, for the record.  I still have a job, though that may be
questionable.  I also have used the student discounts when i was
playing gradual student/ part time engineer.

I agree wholeheartedly witht he policy of Student discounts and
Student grants, I just think that they should be expanded to give a
break to those job hunting.

Actually I even thought of aan easy verification method.
Send a copy of a current UI claim check.  

For those who are out of work consultants,  I don't know.
Consultants are supposed to plan for periods of down time.
Salary men plan on the basis of continous employment.

TTYL
pat
>--Ace
>-- 
>    Ace Stewart | Affiliation: Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester, New York
>jstewart@rodan.acs.syr.edu jstewart@sunrise.bitnet jstewart@mothra.cns.syr.edu
>   jstewart@sunspot.cns.syr.edu     ace@suvm.bitnet     rsjns@suvm.bitnet


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