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From: rjc@wookumz.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac and Amiga (Games--Macintosh vs A500)
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Date: 13 Mar 91 23:06:16 GMT
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In article <1991Mar13.221028.8703@neon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>
>>In article <91MAR12.134551@ducvax.auburn.edu> cs220x2a@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>> 3)  Apple comes out with more innovative products than any other computer 
>>> company.
>
>>The last innovative product that came out of Apple... let's see. How about the
>>original Macintosh? What have they done since then that wasn't just putting
>>faster chips in the same basic box?
>
>  What happens if you apply the exact same reasoning to Commodore?
>[Before you flame, read and consider carefully.  Ask yourself, "What
>has Commodore done over the past 5 years to the Amiga?" ]

Hmm, let's see, starting from the original A1000 they created
[in no particular order]
1) The A500, totally new motherboard and design, GARY chip
2) The A2000, Zorro II bus, and the Buster
3) ECS Denise and Agnus
4) Bridgecard
5) AmigaDOS 2.0
6) Amigavision
7) A2232 card
8) Ethernet, TSSnet, and Decnet cards + software
9) The AMIGA 3000! Ramsey, SuperDMAC, Amber, Zorro III(yeah Dave!)
10) Arexx is standard
11) A2620, 2630
12) Unix SYS VR4, Xwindows, and Openlook
13) A2320
14) A2410
15) A1300(when it first came out)
16) A590 and 2091 controllers (very fast)
17) AmigaDOS 1.2 and 1.3 
18) A2500/30

The reason Commodore doesn't come out with new models everyyear is because
they don't have to. The A2000/3000 are innovative and open enough to last years!

The Mac was never innovative, it was a slow piece of trash in 1985, and
if you want to expand it EFFECTIVELY you have to buy a whole new model.
(like the NeXT pizzabox)

The Custom Chips aren't the only thing that makes the Amiga innovative, its
the overall design of the system. The open expansion possibilities, the
operating system, the pricing.

And with third party companies like ASDG, NewTek, MAST, Blackbelt and
Digital Creations, it's hard for Commodore to keep up.

I DARE Apple to price systems competitively. The prices of the 
Mac IIsi/ci/fx are more expensive than most workstations, yet the Mac II
line are no faster than what you can already put in an A2000 CPU slot, or
the A3000, or the NeXT.
I also DARE Apple to play fair and just, and stop trying to sue other
companies just because they are competing(GUI wise) or to put excessive
restrictions on their ROMs.


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>Evan Torrie.  Stanford University, Class of 199?       torrie@cs.stanford.edu  
>"And in the death, as the last few corpses lay rotting in the slimy
> thoroughfare, the shutters lifted in inches, high on Poacher's Hill..."