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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Still no Ami businessware.
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Date: 16 Mar 91 21:49:54 GMT
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In article <1991Mar16.210142.11636@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu> consp13@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Marcus Cannava) writes:
>|>In article <19656@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com
>(Dave Haynie) writes:
>|>>
>|>>"The Amiga", like any other computer system, is a complete environment.  As
>|>>in all environments, every member of that environment is responsible for the
>|>>success of the environment as a whole.  Commodore can certainly do its part,
>|>>but it is no magician.
>|>
>
>"The Amiga" is a product that makes a company money. Let's not lose
>sight of Commodore's main interest: Turning a profit. Commodore is not
>in this business for fun, nor to enrich people's lives, they are in it
>to make dollars.
>
>Now, let's see.. Commodore is actually expecting the customers to do
>"their part" in assisting them in making money? Isn't it in Commodore's
>best interest to advertise, and promote the Amiga, to achieve their goal?
>
>I don't know, but I don't see where it's my "responsibility" to do
>anything at all to help the machine succeed. I may *desire* the machine
>to succeed (which I do), but I don't have the funds, resources, time, or
>the interest, simply because the end result is just giving more money to
>Commodore.
>
	Why are you getting an attitude? Dave only stated simple
facts. Commodore is not the only factor in the Amiga's success.
This is absolutely true. Commodore can't control every factor in
the Amiga's success, they can merely try to influence them. There
is no simple rule that you spend x dollars and get y sales.
	Nowhere were YOU told to do anything. Merely that what
you do do affects the Amiga's success.

>Commodore, if you sell the machine, then you deserve your money. But
>don't tell me it's MY responsibility to sell YOUR machine, and watch YOU
>get the money for it.

	You're absolutely right. Thank God they haven't.
>
>It's not "Commodore does its part, now you customers do your part"; this
>is Commodore's ballgame completely.
>
>		- Their machine,
>		- Their profit,
>		
>		but most of all,
>
>		- THEIR work in promoting it.
>
>And gee, Commodore, maybe if you actually did more than "your half",
>you'd find your customers a little more eager to scream out "I'm an
>Amiga owner, you should be, too!" 
>
>"The Amiga" is not a cult. It's a machine. The customer's
>"responsibility" to it ends after he signs the check.
>
	As to the Amiga being a cult machine, many people here
think of it that way. I put myself somewhere in the middle of the
spectrum. But there are dealers, developers and buyers, all of
which are beyond Commodore's control, but within their influence.
They are all also within the influence of all the other computer
makers. CBM-bashing is just silly. For the very reason that they
are in business to make money they will do their best to make the
most they can.

>I love the Amiga. I want it to succeed. But I feel that Commodore must
>wake up and take ALL the responsibility in promoting it and supporting
>it, and stop relying on and exploiting the "word-of-mouth" customer
>network, which is the ONLY thing that has made the Amiga survive from
>the A1000 models years ago.
>
	When is the last time Commodore USA turned a profit? When
you get the answer to that let me know.

>					\marc
>
>------                                                             
>consp13@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu			Marcus N. Cannava
>       @bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu			SUNY-Binghamton
>----------------------------------			Student Consultant
>'I do not fear computers.. 
> I fear the lack of them'  -- I. Asimov					RNM


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