Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken!cert!netnews.upenn.edu!grip.cis.upenn.edu!sal From: sal@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Marcos Salganicoff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc Subject: Re: A sad day... Message-ID: <39316@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 18 Mar 91 22:40:14 GMT References: <46878@nigel.ee.udel.edu> <1991Mar7.221241.18977@m.cs.uiuc.edu> <1991Mar18.181117.4352@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Reply-To: sal@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Marcos Salganicoff) Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: grip.cis.upenn.edu Turning this into a mac vs. pc war is silly. The fact is that it's fairly obvious that a lot of systems have used overlapping windows for a while, the only reason Xerox didn't win in its suit against apple is because of statute of limitation type arguments. And now apple is turning around and suing microsoft, fairly hypocritical I'd say. I wouldn't weep too much for microsoft, I'd bet that they move more applications for the mac and ibm-pc than anyone else. But anyhow, I'm not down on apple, the problem is with the nebulous definition of "look and feel". Why for example does X-windows use overlapping windows, yet there is no copyright problem vis-a-vis apple? Does anyone actually know a definition for "look and feel"? In the mean-time we're all screwed because products are designed to interact in sub-optimal ways to avoid infringement litagation. We are the losers until this "look and feel" is clarified. Apple and Microsoft win. The GNU manifesto is sounding more and more reasonable. -Marcos General Robotics and Active Sensory Perception Lab UPENN Philadelphia, PA (USA)