Path: utzoo!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!sun-barr!apple!usc!wuarchive!uunet!timbuk!shamash!midway!zaphod!francis From: francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: New SE/30 educational price? Message-ID: Date: 13 Mar 91 19:22:46 GMT References: <231b3679.668812396@fergvax> <1991Mar13.134217.11746@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Distribution: comp Organization: Mathematics Department, University of Chicago Lines: 72 In-Reply-To: gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu's message of 13 Mar 91 13:42:17 GMT In article <1991Mar13.134217.11746@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) writes: In article <231b3679.668812396@fergvax> 231b3679@fergvax.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes: >Did Apple drop the price of the educational discount SE/30 as much as >the retail price? I am a desperate student in need of an '030 >machine, and if they price the SE/30 around $1300 (barebones; small or >no hard disk, little or no RAM), me and other student developers could >afford to give our MacPlus's the kiss of death. Nope. The SE/30's educational price did -not- change. If you Are you sure? (Recall that educational prices vary...) I know the store here can't give me a new price yet; did yours? (I am considering the posibility you work for them as being essentially equivalent to their telling you. :-) That being said, I agree that it wouldn't be that surprising if it didn't drop. After all, they're aiming for market share here; and the educational market is Apple's stronghold, IMHO. It'd be like the Republicans changing their platform specifically to attract the rich. :-) [description of color 030 system] don't get the single slot of the IIsi if you go that route (you used the SE/30's slot for the video, remember?), nor do you get 32-bit clean ROMs, or the neat-o sound digitizer, but what do you get extra with this package? Nor the 20 MHz clock speed, or compatibility with 6.0.7 (apparently) (and this is very slightly scary--6.0.7 seems to be like 6.0.5 with some 7.0 features). Two ADB slots (I don't want my mouse plugged into my keyboard) Why not? On a modular Mac, you pretty much need to anyway, if you want lots of play on it--it's got to reach further if you plug it into the back. Video that uses it's own VRAM (no cycle-swapping) For the external, yes. (Of course, that's the one that counts the most, I suppose--8 bits, and larger.) Two screens (the 9" B/W and the 13" RGB) A "luggable" Mac (detach external 13" monitor) Is this a trivial task? (I've never gotten a good look at an 030 with an external monitor, so I don't know.) A Math Coprocessor (Yay!) True--but it wouldn't drive the si's price up that much... To return to the point, though, I don't think you're going to see a -really- inexpensive (~$1500 education) '030 Mac until the SE/30 starts selling at fire-sale prices (flagging impending discontinuation), and Apple introduces an '030 Classic. Probably right. *sigh* Despite what I said, the 030 would be my Mac of choice at this point. Small, 1-bit screen tends to respond a bit faster; and the luggability is a major consideration. A $2,000 030 would tempt me to take out a loan... -- /============================================================================\ | Francis Stracke | My opinions are my own. I don't steal them.| | Department of Mathematics |=============================================| | University of Chicago | Until you stalk and overrun, | | francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu | you can't devour anyone. -- Hobbes | \============================================================================/