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From: navas@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David C. Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac and Amiga (Games--Macintosh vs A500)
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Date: 15 Mar 91 19:28:31 GMT
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In article <> trotter@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Russell T. Trotter) writes:
>I agree being forced to insert a disk with no cancel box is a
>bit inconveinent....maybe more in your case but anyway..just for 
>future reference you can "cancel" that dialog by typing
>Command - period , or hold the open apple button down and press
>the "."   

Of course.  How intuitively obvious.  <sarcasm, folks>

You know, there are many instances in the Mac operating system where potentially
useful features of the computer are obscurely hidden behind this sort of stuff.

For reference -- how do you save the current Mac screen to disk?  Where on the
disk would that file exist?  etc. etc.

Not that I am trying to say the Amiga is any better -- to cancel an Amiga
requester, you can hit the <cancel> box (which is nice), or you can use
Amiga-B (which is not intuitive either).

Hasn't anyone ever seen that ESC key?  What do people suppose it might be
useful for?  Geez people, it's part of the Motif spec too...

>Also I don't think it's fair for you to note isolated instances such
>as your slow appletalk and apply this to your opinion of Macs.  At  our
>university we have Mac and PC networks.  Our Mac network is quite
>efficient and relatively fast, whereas some PC net setups are much 
>slower, but I still don't hate PC's  })

It is quite fair to quote from experience to support a given conclusion.
If that experience is limited, it limits the support for the conclusion,
but it does not invalidate the reasoning.  It's just as logical for a Mac
user to say that in his experience Amiga drives were dog slow, the interface
was a piece of non-intuitive <expletive> and he would never buy one, as it is
for the Amiga user to say that the Macs he has used had inbuilt networking
that would never compel him to buy a Mac.  Don't you think?

Frankly I think Apple can improve their interface by leaps and bounds, and
Commodore *needs* to improve their interface by leaps and bounds.  I think
Commodore can improve their operating system, and Apple *needs* to improve
theirs.

I think Apple does not completely address the latter with 7.0, and Cmdre
does not address the former with 2.0.  Both are still playing to their
strengths.  That's unfortunate, because I want the best computer for
everything that I do, and such a computer does not exist, and is not
likely to exist until somebody turns around and fixes their flank.

Of course, that's just my opinion, as always.

David Navas                                   navas@cory.berkeley.edu
Signature erased, because it used to be something snide against the Mac. 
undergoing recnstrctn. [Also try c186br@holden, c260-ay@ara and c184-ap@torus]