Path: utzoo!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!dimacs.rutgers.edu!seismo!ukma!rex!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caen!uwm.edu!bionet!agate!stanford.edu!neon.Stanford.EDU!calvin!zimmer From: zimmer@calvin.stanford.edu (Andrew Zimmerman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Xnext (mouse-X) Message-ID: <1991Mar15.212326.19805@neon.Stanford.EDU> Date: 15 Mar 91 21:23:26 GMT References: <1991Mar15.052404.4117@neon.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@neon.Stanford.EDU (USENET News System) Distribution: usa Organization: Stanford University Lines: 86 Sorry about all of this X stuff on comp.sys.next. In article scott@texnext.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes: >In article <1991Mar15.052404.4117@neon.Stanford.EDU> zimmer@calvin.stanford.edu (Andrew Zimmerman) writes: > 5. XNext doesn't support the Display postscript extensions that > DEC has added to their X severs that their client programs use. > >:-). That would surprise me, if added, because that's hard. You might >argue that the machine runs DPS, right? Wrong, because the server is a >port of MIT's and writes directly to the frame buffer - DPS doesn't >have a chance to get in there. > > both would probably be the best solution. (Disk space permitting) > >I would bet that you could loose alot by removing the overlap. For >instance, if you want to have both mouse-X and coXist, you only really >need both servers and one set of clients - because the clients (by >-- >scott hess scott@gac.edu (actually, I don't even have enough disk space just to have 1 of the X's on my NeXT. :-) DPS - I think that people might be misunderstanding my reason for mentioning that Xnext doesn't support DPS. I thought I might be able to save some people the time it would take to see if it did support DPS. The fact that it doesn't support DPS is not a bad reflection on Xnext, just a lack of a feature that some people (okay, maybe 3 people) might like. In my environment, it would be nice to have, but as scott correctly point out, it would have been a lot of work to implement. Since my last posting, I have received a number of requests about where to get Xnext. I got it from cunixf.cc.columbia.edu. It consists of about 50 some "split" files that you have to join together after ftping. Then, cd to where you want the X stuff, and do a zcat X11R4-Next-2.0.tar.Z | tar xvf - I just followed the instructions, and it worked fine. I happened to have saved the message about how to get back to NeXTStep. Here is the important part. The version I have up on cunixf has two key bindings for this key. 1) Command-Command-Keypad-* (hold down both Command keys, and type the * on the keypad). This is the same hotkey which mouseX has always had 2) Command-Command-Delete I added this one, because some people with smaller hands couldn't reach the other easily. Howie Kaye howie@columbia.edu Columbia University hlkcu@cuvma.bitnet UNIX Systems Group ...!rutgers!columbia!howie WRT xtank. So that I don't get anymore email abouyt xhost. Yes, I did an xhost, and no, it doesn't fix the problem. Now, for some more questions and comments about Xnext. 1. How does one kill it off? Yes, kill -9 does work, but there has to be a cleaner way to do it. 2. xmag doesn't seem to work correctly. I think this has to do with the way that xmag gets data off of the screen. Both xmag on a NeXT, and xmag running on a DEC3100 using a NeXT display had the same wrong image. 3. I had a problem with tiling on the NeXT. I think that tiles have to be a multiple of 16. (I found this problem when I was trying out a new feature for my xmines games. The released version of xmines has a slightly different problem, but a non-fatal problem.) 4. You might want to change the entry for gray in you rgb table. In the rgb that all X's use, the color for gray is 192 192 192. As far as I am concerned, this is wrong! gray should be 191 191 191. Without this change, gray shows up a white! It's actually pretty funny. The only screen that this really shows up on in a 2 plane (4 color) screen. a 1 plane screen works correctly, and any screen with 3 or more planes will work. Unfortunately, the NeXT has 2 planes (4 colors) Andrew zimmer@calvin.stanford.edu