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From: terryl@sail.LABS.TEK.COM
Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals
Subject: Re: Unix security additions
Message-ID: <9128@sail.LABS.TEK.COM>
Date: 13 Mar 91 18:41:39 GMT
References: <1819@svin02.info.win.tue.nl> <1991Mar11.174711.4027@decuac.dec.com> <1991Mar12.102415.22627@kithrup.COM> <1991Mar12.185154.2423@decuac.dec.com>
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In article <1991Mar12.185154.2423@decuac.dec.com> mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. Ranum) writes:
>sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan) writes:
>>> mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. Ranum) writes:
>
>>>	Because most people in the Real World need to get work done,
>>
>>Not all unices do.  It's possible to configure your machine to not trust
>>anyone;[...]
>>I heard, somewhere (InfoWorld?) that Apple was doing something with a secure
>>unix with secure networking. [...]
>
>	When you get really into serious government security glop, you
>basically have to give up networking completely. In fact, network-based
>window systems (name one!) have to be modified, and notions of mandatory
>access control have to be addressed in the window manager. It's called
>the Compartmented Mode Workstation (CMW) and presently DEC, Sun, IBM,
>Apple and maybe others are working on products that will be CMW.


     Actually, Marcus only touches the tip of the iceberg. About a year or so
ago, I was talking with a work acquaintance who knows a lot about guv`mint
contracts as they applied to computer purchases. Just the wording alone in the
contracts is a nightmare!!! Talk about DoubleSpeak(TM)...

     But to specifically address what Marcus was talking about (window systems),
according to this acquaintance, there is a concept of "secure" windows, (and
natch, there is also a concept of "non-secure" windows..) And one of the things
one can NOT do is "cut" from a "secure" window, and then "paste" into a "non-
secure" window. Can't have that "sensitive" guv`mint data released to the
masses, I guess.....

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