Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
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From: woods@eci386.uucp (Greg A. Woods)
Subject: Re: POSIX bashing (Was Re: Retaining file permissions)
Message-ID: <1991Mar14.232202.9335@eci386.uucp>
Keywords: chmod, sed, awk... and good old *cat*!
Reply-To: woods@eci386.UUCP (Greg A. Woods)
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc.
References: <1991Feb28.205734.26484@athena.mit.edu> <21795@yunexus.YorkU.CA> <3419@unisoft.UUCP> <1991Mar07.073936.12552@kithrup.COM> <9090@sail.LABS.TEK.COM>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 91 23:22:02 GMT

In article <9090@sail.LABS.TEK.COM> terryl@sail.LABS.TEK.COM writes:
> In article <1991Mar07.073936.12552@kithrup.COM> sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan) writes:
> >In article <3419@unisoft.UUCP> greywolf@unisoft.UUCP (The Grey Wolf) writes:
> >>It's truly a pity that System V has more marketing clout; BSD is just SO
> >>much more usable.

Hmmm....  That just depends on who you are, and what you can do!

> >In what way?  On kithrup, I have job control, command-line editing (I use
> >ksh), networking (still useful even though kithrup is the only machine it
> >can connect to 8-)), and a few other nifty-keen things.  I ... know of some
> >other useful things coming out, but I can't comment on them.

>      Why??? I can still backspace over my prompt......
>[....]
> And yes, although it does have job control, it doesn't have the
> NEWER tty driver that handles things like my complaint graciously......

(It has an even newer tty driver called termio(7) which is better than
tty(4) or newtty(4)! :-)

Ah, maybe you missed the importance of one thing Sean said above.  He
uses ksh, which doesn't need newtty(4).  [Yes, I know this means you
only have those features while at the shell prompt.]

Besides, I think there are some versions of termio(7) with newtty-like
line disciplines.  If not, you could write one instead of complaining
(or goad someone else into writing one! :-).  On V.4 it's only a
STREAMS module!

Besides, user-interface extras like newtty are not really appropriate
for a specification like POSIX.
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							Greg A. Woods
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