Xref: utzoo comp.protocols.nfs:1994 comp.windows.ms:10402 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:5197 Path: utzoo!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!exodus!appserv!sun!amdcad!brahms!phil From: phil@brahms.amd.com (Phil Ngai) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.nfs,comp.windows.ms,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: Re: Sun PC-NFS deficiencies Message-ID: <1991Mar16.015158.20566@amd.com> Date: 16 Mar 91 01:51:58 GMT References: <1991Mar13.180625.14540@amd.com> <1541@fs1.ee.ubc.ca> Sender: usenet@amd.com (NNTP Posting) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc; Sunnyvale, CA Lines: 60 In article <1541@fs1.ee.ubc.ca> jmorriso@twix.ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes: |I'd really like to see this. What on earth do you mean by speaking NOvell? A PC running Novell can send a print job to the LJIIIsi directly over the Ethernet. |Why do you say an HP printer only supports ONE network, when |there are at least half a dozen PC networks out in PC land?? I say it because that is what HP has done, implemented a Novell speaking laser printer. |I agree that NFS should live up to the hopes and desires of most |Windows users. As for crippled, I really beg to differ! |I can speak from the (relatively) unique position of having used IBM PC's |and Sun workstations almost equally. But have you used Microsoft Windows and Novell? |On the other hand, what we do get would be ridiculous on a PC. Things like |Maple 5, or MAthematica. Basically anything that needs a STABLE network with |REAL multitasking and REAL virtual memory. I'm not familiar with Maple, but I believe Mathematica does run on 386 PCs. MS Windows on a 386 is a pretty good multitasking system and does offer VM. |It's funny to observe Unix hacks who think that anything non-unix is a toy |(although they are often right). |It's funny to observe PC hacks who think they know evrything and that they |are "gurus". These are people with 20 000 "utility" programs cluttering |their disks to compensate for what MS-DOS can't handle! For your information, I've been using Unix for much longer than PCs. I bought, setup, and ran some of my company's first VAXEN. I started with a PDP-11/70 running V7. That was before fsck, I think, so I did filesystem repairs the hard way. Then we got money for a 750 so I installed and ran a 4.2 BSD system. What a big improvement. I've only been using PCs for about 3 years. You're right, I do have a number of utilities on my PC to make it more Unix like when I'm in DOS. Things like "ls", "rm", "mv", etc. I still think Sun PC-NFS is a lousy excuse for a PC network. |It seems like certain PC users are incredibly bitter about Unix people, |which I could understand if it were DEC, or IBM they were bitter about. |But here this leads me to believe they have never used Unix. See above. |But I'll give unix the upper hand for most things anyway, because MS-DOS |is not an operating system; it is a glorified program loader, one step |better than a ROM bootstrap loader. In two years of heavy Sun use, and light I could disagree, but you are getting distracted. My point is this: Sun PC-NFS is NO NETWORK to Microsoft Windows. -- The government is not your mother. The government doesn't love you.