Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: EFL0@ns.cc.lehigh.edu (Ed Lamb) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Corruption in Christianity (was Re: How Message-ID: Date: 28 Feb 91 08:39:35 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Lines: 61 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu Karl, But, you see, if the Bible were a book that was full of errors, then it would be "just another book." But, if we take the Bible as the Word of God, which it claims for itself, then we can be assured that these are the Words of God. Also, have you ever read it? I was not a christian, nor did I want to be one three years ago. But for whatever reason, a couple of friends helped me to read it. And do you know what? It was true! Sure, there are things I can't explain. But if it really is a revelation from God, I wouldn't want it to be any other way. There has NEVER bee one single piece of archeology found which contradicts the Bible. Besides, it is true about the things which CAN be verified, so why should I doubt other things, just because *I* don't know if it is true. This is a pretty arrogant position to take. Another thing, the Bible is by far the most prolific book in history. There were people whose whole lives centered around copying it letter for letter. NO other book can claim such numbers. Christians were so persecuted in the 1st century that if errors did creep up, they were pointed out immediately. A lot of times, people do not have trouble believing with their minds so much as their will. One last point. A lot of people I know say that unless you can prove that God exists, they will not believe. Since God is the creator, why should we be able to prove his existence be the created thing. An anology: I challenge you to prove to me, by only what is in the house, that a certain brand-new house had an architect (or builder). You cannot do it without bringing in outside knowledge, or asking people outside of the house. So why, if God made the universe, would we be able to prove his existence by the laws he created? However, there is evidence in the world that it had a creator, but not a proof. Can you honestly say that we are here by chance? I guarantee you that you do not live accordingly. For if we are all chance beings, what is morality - why can't I live the way I want? It doesn't matter in the end whether I kill you or not. We are all going to pass away to nothingness. Why do you work? What is satisfaction? Why go to school? What is money? All are ultimately meaningless. And if you still say we are here by chance, how come this table doesn't somehow dissappear? And where, oh where, did the material for the big bang come from. Matter does not just poof into existence. It need a cause. What is the ultimate cause? None of this makes sense without a god. You have no hope. You cannot talk about meaning, about values, about right and wrong without some ultimate standard. And it doesn't come from society. I do not mean this next statement for anyone in particular, but please do not resort to name-calling or insulting christianity, or likewise. That is what people do here at Lehigh, and it just proves that they are either being childish, or that a nerve was hit and they try to cover up. Thank you for taking time to read this memo. Ed Lamb ________________________________________________________________________ Ed Lamb .387 average Catcher 53 home runs Philadelphia Phillies 157 runs batted in National League MVP 67 stolen bases World Series MVP ________________________________________________________________________ --Hey, I can dream, can't I ??????