Path: utzoo!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Gay Ordination in the Presbyterian Church Message-ID: Date: 18 Mar 91 16:11:02 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 34 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article brendan@cs.uq.oz.au (Brendan Mahony) writes: >The pain I was referring to was the pain involved in the >lifestyle they lead, not in any resulting disease. Being in Australia >AIDS tends toward the abstract for me, whilst the miseries of multiple >dating, drugs, drunk driving and other unwise lifestyles abound. The lifestyles WHO lead? You know, I don't know what you think most gay people spend their time doing, but I'll bet it resembles everyone else's pretty closely. Also, there's probably a lot more AIDS in Australia than there are people who suffer from "the miseries of multiple dating". -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer dyer@arktouros.mit.edu, dyer@hstbme.mit.edu [The current discussion has not been a full-scale presentation of the issues, because none of those favoring Christian acceptance of homosexaulity has chosen to present their case in any detailed way. Their contributions have been restricted to rather limited responsesn, such as this one. I can't say that I blame them. Eventually one gets tired of saying that same things over and over again, and this issue has been discussed many times in the past. But I've always read their proposals as calling for a homosexual equivalent of marriage. That is, they seemed to be calling for Christians to broaden their concept of acceptable sexual relationships, but not to drop all standards of sexual conduct. I get the feeling that some of those on the other side are envisioned a "gay lifestyle" based on news reports of gay sex clubs. Discussion is going to be hard if people have radically different things in mind when they talk about homosexual activity. It's clear that the likelihood of getting AIDS is very different under the two models. --clh]