Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!ucsd!qualcom.qualcomm.com!gdansk.qualcomm.com!rdippold From: rdippold@gdansk.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: V.32bis and V.17 approved by CCITT Message-ID: <1991Mar22.230637.18596@qualcomm.com> Date: 22 Mar 91 23:06:37 GMT References: <3852.27de1c60@hayes.uucp> <1991Mar17.220044.10341@larouch.uucp> <1991Mar21.051827.28579@newsserver.sfu.ca> Sender: news@qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 73 In article <1991Mar21.051827.28579@newsserver.sfu.ca> rob@newsserver.sfu.ca (Rob Carpenter) writes: >In <1991Mar17.220044.10341@larouch.uucp> jparnas@larouch.uucp (Jacob Parnas) writes: > >>In article <3852.27de1c60@hayes.uucp>, tnixon@hayes.uucp writes: >>|> Except for the introduction of the AT command set itself, Hayes has >>|> rarely been "first" with anything. Also rarely last, except to the >>|> extent that EVERYBODY is last at least temporarily, until somebody >>|> else takes over being last. We prefer to try to be "best" rather >>|> than "first". > >It's nice to see that in this day and age, a company takes pride in its >work rather than building products with problems. Except that there are companies who build products that work _and_ get them out fast... >>It seems to me that when a company like US Robotics has a modem that is >>50 % faster than Hayes does and has for several months, and the US >>Robotics can do pretty much everything that the Hayes can, and the US >>Robotics doesn't really have any major flaws, it is hard to see how >>Hayes can have the "best" modem. >Well, if you want to run out and buy a modem that will only talk to >other modems of the same kind. By all means, buy a USR modem. Yeah, if you buy a USR V.32bis modem, you'll only be able to talk to USR modems, modems that support V.32, and modems that support V.32bis once everyone else gets their act together. Thats only a minor, what, 80-90% of the high speed modems out there? >>Getting out fast modem standards early is really important to many modem >>users. Waiting months for Hayes or most other vendors to come out with >>V.32bis modems, results in months of significantly higher phone bills >>and significantly lower productivity. > >Getting out fast modem standards? They put this into production BEFORE >it was a standard. V.32bis was did not become a "standard" until the >beginning of this month. Right, and USR had the foresight to assume that it would become a true standard and start including it in its modems. They took a gamble, and it paid off, and now everyone else is scrambling to catch up. >>My point is that I think that if Hayes would be doing itself and the >>modem buying public a big service if it would be more aggressive in >>trying to get fast modems out the door faster like US Robotics has. > >Hayes has already learned their lesson about releasing strange and >Unusual protocols. Remeber the V-series modems? I think Hayes would >like to forget them. V.32bis hardly qualifies as a strange and unusual protocol. >>Please understand that going with your modem vendor when it lags behind >>agressive vendors would mean money out of our pockets, higher frustration >>levels (due to the slower modem) and lower productivity for many >>months. > >I think Higher frustration levels are caused by defective modems. Not >by "slow" modem speeds. Great. So buy one that isn't defective, like a Hayes, Telebit, or USR. >I have no associaton with Hayes, US Robotics, or any other Modem >manufacturer. I am, however, a happy owner of a Hayes 9600 Ultra. > >I hate "proprietary protocols", which is why I am so anti "USR HST". >I'm glad that a high-speed protocol is emerging from the smoke. Yes, being a hayes owner would explain your hatred for USR... And just a reminder that the standard high-speed protocol is still USR. Looking at a national or local BBS listing shows me that about 9/10 or more of the high speed modems out there are HSTs. V.32 is a way for the rest of the modem makers to attempt to reclaim the 9600+ bps market dominated by US.