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From: jparnas@larouch.uucp (Jacob Parnas)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: V.32bis and V.17 approved by CCITT
Message-ID: <1991Mar23.212123.506@larouch.uucp>
Date: 23 Mar 91 21:21:23 GMT
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In article <1991Mar21.051827.28579@newsserver.sfu.ca>, rob@newsserver.sfu.ca (Rob Carpenter) writes:
|> In <1991Mar17.220044.10341@larouch.uucp> jparnas@larouch.uucp (Jacob Parnas) writes:
|> >It seems to me that when a company like US Robotics has a modem that is
|> >50 % faster than Hayes does and has for several months, and the US 
|> >Robotics can do pretty much everything that the Hayes can, and the US
|> >Robotics doesn't really have any major flaws, it is hard to see how
|> >Hayes can have the "best" modem.
|> 
|> Well, if you want to run out and buy a modem that will only talk to
|> other modems of the same kind.  By all means, buy a USR modem.

What modem will the Hayes Ultra talk to that the US Robotics Courier HST
won't?  To say that a modem that the USR will only talk to other modems
of the same kind is absurd.

|> How can Hayes have the best modem?  Look at the size of the USR, it's a
|> blinking eyesore.  I sure as heck don't want to have a modem the size of
|> an encylopaedia volume on my desk.

I don't find the USR to be an eyssore at all.  Even if I did, I certainly
care a lot more about modem throughput and retrain speed than I do about
how it looks.  

|> 
|> >Getting out fast modem standards early is really important to many modem
|> >users.  Waiting months for Hayes or most other vendors to come out with
|> >V.32bis modems, results in months of significantly higher phone bills
|> >and significantly lower productivity.  
|> 
|> Getting out fast modem standards?  They put this into production BEFORE
|> it was a standard.  V.32bis was did not become a "standard" until the
|> beginning of this month.  

And because they got it out real early, I enjoyed much faster speed and 
lower phone bills for months.  Thats important to me and I suspect many
other people as well.

|> >My point is that I think that if Hayes would be doing itself and the
|> >modem buying public a big service if it would be more aggressive in
|> >trying to get fast modems out the door faster like US Robotics has.
|> 
|> Hayes has already learned their lesson about releasing strange and
|> Unusual protocols.  Remeber the V-series modems?  I think Hayes would
|> like to forget them.

But the V-series protocol didn't offer any huge advantage over other
modulation schemes.  And the V-series protocol wasn't going to be adopted
by everyone within a year's time.

|> >Please understand that going with your modem vendor when it lags behind
|> >agressive vendors would mean money out of our pockets, higher frustration
|> >levels (due to the slower modem) and lower productivity for many
|> >months.
|> 
|> I think Higher frustration levels are caused by defective modems.  Not
|> by "slow" modem speeds.  

What higher frustration level?  I hooked up the USR and was running within
15 minutes.  Everything worked fine.  There were no defective modems.

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