Path: utzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!apple!malcolm From: malcolm@Apple.COM (Malcolm Slaney) Newsgroups: comp.dsp Subject: Re: Digital Output and VU meters Summary: VU meters in the 1940s Keywords: digital, DA, VU, video Message-ID: <50285@apple.Apple.COM> Date: 15 Mar 91 06:47:34 GMT References: <27517@netcom.COM> <50146@apple.Apple.COM> <1991Mar13.103618.15519@corp.telecom.co.nz> Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA Lines: 41 In article <1991Mar13.103618.15519@corp.telecom.co.nz> stephen@corp.telecom.co.nz (Richard Stephen) writes: >CHINN HA, GANNETT DK, MORRIS RM : A New Standard Volume Indicator and >Reference Level, Bell System Tech. Journal, Vol 19 No 1, 1940, >pp 94-137 (January). Oooh, good article. It was fun to read about how this idea (VU) which is taken so casually now has a very well thought out rationale. Turns out they spent most of their time comparing RMS meters to peak reading. They decided that peak meters are more accurate (give you an extra dB of level before distortion becomes noticeable) but the peaks could be badly messed up in a transmission network (due to different phase delays). In the end they concluded The tests of aural distortion due to overload showed a slight disadvantage for the r-m-s instrument and the experiments on peak checking showes such a marked advantage for this type (rms) as compared to the peak instrument, that it was decided to develop the r-m-s type of instrument. They continue to say (!!!!) Another consideration was that, with the advances in copper-oxide types of instruments, it has become possible to make r-m-s instruments of sufficient sensitivity for most purposes without the use of vacuum tubes and their attendent need of power supply.... They also talk about the normal difference in levels between a peak meter and an RMS meter. This is relavent for digital systems since signals are normalized to be full scale in the word Male Speech 10dB Female Speech 8dB Piano 7dB Brass Band 7dB Dance Orchestra 4dB Violin 5dB Somebody suggested calibrating my system with a sine wave that was 8dB down from the digital (full-scale) peak. That sounds like a pretty good rule of thumb. Many thanks for the help! Malcolm