Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!pitt!willett!ForthNet From: ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: X3J14 Holding Pattern Here Message-ID: <2511.UUL1.3#5129@willett.pgh.pa.us> Date: 19 Mar 91 02:05:01 GMT Organization: (n.) to be organized. But that's not important right now. Lines: 44 Category 10, Topic 12 Message 39 Sun Mar 17, 1991 ATFURMAN [Alan F.] at 21:00 PST My understanding is that in American political circles of 200 years ago, "democrat" was a term of abuse (meaning: mob-rule advocate). Someone once pointed out that a 1920's edition of a U.S. Army indoctrination manual maintained that America was "a republic, not a democracy". The 1950's edition simply stated that the American political system was "democracy". History had gotten a New Deal. He who controls the present controls the past. Given John Wavrik's much different usage of the term, it is clear that the word "democracy" is wide open in its ambiguity. How lucky for those who seek the Total State: just sell people on "democracy" as meaning INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, use it in slogans for a while, then pull some Orwellian doublethink by switching its meaning to absolute rule by a "representative" two-party oligarchy. Rule by the Divine Right of Kings has been replaced by the Divine Right of Collectives (i.e. by a 51% majority in idealized Radical Democracy). Victims of our Trabant-Motorwerke State-owned educational system may not be able to read, but they have been taught well to love Big Brother. A failure? You forgot to ask, "Who profits?" The real American system has been pretty much flushed away to oblivion by the New Deal and the War on Drugs, but it is still interesting to remember what it used to be. The REAL government was Self-Government: the individual's sovereignty over his/her own mind, body, property, life. (As Jefferson wrote, "may it be to man to enjoy the blessings of self-government".) The State's job was limited to protecting individual liberty, and oversight of this limited State was by *democratically elected* representatives. But the system as a whole was not "democracy". ========================================================================= And now to settle the argument over X3J14's system of governance. It is Constitutionalist. Those who have the constitution to endure one meeting after another, rule. ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp