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From: sysop@tlvx.UUCP (SysOp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac and Amiga (Games--Macintosh vs A500)
Summary: Minor ramblings and comments
Message-ID: <466@tlvx.UUCP>
Date: 21 Mar 91 05:00:38 GMT
References: <91MAR12.134551@ducvax.auburn.edu> <1991Mar16.015049.15226@neon.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Temporal Vortex BBS of Jacksonville, Florida
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In article <1991Mar16.015049.15226@neon.Stanford.EDU>, torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
> passaret@brahe.crd.ge.com ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti) writes:
> >In article <1991Mar15.092920.16477@neon.Stanford.EDU> 
> >torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
> >#
> ># >It is a moot point, since the Mac 
> ># >OS can't use more that 16MB (sure, cheap shot, but it was a big target...).
> 
> >#Depends what version of the OS you're using, 6.0 or 7.0.
> 
> >up.  Oh well.  Guess I'll go out and get System 7.0.  What? I

Heh, this reminds me of when I went to a Mac user's group meeting.  They
were talking about adding megs in anticipation of System 7 "this September".
And I thought that was pretty funny THEN, last spring.  (Is it just me?)

> >can't buy that?  For ANY Mac?  Oh.  So I should put 128MB in and
> >not see 120MB of it?  Great idea there.  
> 
>   Of course, the Mac OS is not the only game in town.  A/UX works fine
> with >8MB of memory.  In fact, it works a lot better with 20MB, which
> is what a lot of A/UX people seem to have. 

Hmm, seems like I just read a post here yesterday where someone was saying
that the Mac doesn't need to worry about a fast hard disk system, since
people just use the normal Mac OS (or at least that's the way I understood
the message).  When it comes to the issue of RAM, here comes A/UX, but what
happened to the issue of the fast hard disk system?  ;-)

[product to allow more memory with finder mentioned...]

[release of 2.0 for non 3000 discussed...]
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Evan Torrie.  Stanford University, Class of 199?       torrie@cs.stanford.edu   
> Today's maxim:  All socialists are failed capitalists

I would like to "upgrade" from my Amiga 1000, and don't like any of my options.

Amiga:  it has all the graphics and can do most of what I need, but as a
programmer, I'm constantly frustrated by my attempts to get things running
(compilers, my own code, etc.).  I don't worry too much about lack of
business software for myself.  I would like to get animation software in
the future, and like the inexpensive color boards coming out.

Clone:  Here's where I know I can program, but the 640K limit just won't die.
Very frustrating to work around, and to get things to multitask nicely
requires various software, a 386, etc.  The development software seems solid
and (in many cases) inexpensive.

Mac: why does the software cost so much?  Also, I'd have to start from 
scratch building up a library and learning things over again.  Probably
too expensive to do the kinds of things that I want to do.  I realize
that "street price" is a lot less.  I think at one time I priced an
SE/30, and it seemed pretty close to an Amiga 3000 price.  But I NEED
a color screen.

I would like someone to try to convince me that there is a solution to
everything I want in a computer; I tried to convince myself, but was not
able to.  :-/  Maybe with an Amiga 3000 and some inexpensive emulators
I'd be happy?  (I know, a 386 bridgeboard for $300 would be dandy. ;-)

Cool Emulator Idea: How about the new Mac clone, from a company called
Nutek?  A new version of Amax coupled with this (color motif screen) would
be a relatively inexpensive way to get the best of the Mac and Amiga
worlds.

Another Cool Idea:  What if Commodore could buy the rights to the IBeM
software?  Can you see an IBM emulator being included free with each
system?  If it were cleaned up enough, it would be a nice selling point.
(I know they tried it before, but that was with truly hideous software. :-)
Seriously, a GOOD emulator (even at just under XT speed on a 3000) would
be really nice.

--
Gary Wolfe, SYSOP of the Temporal Vortex BBS                        // Amiga!
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