Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!crdgw1!passaret From: passaret@brahe.crd.ge.com ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: Hardrives and the A3000 Message-ID: <17727@crdgw1.crd.ge.com> Date: 20 Mar 91 14:50:35 GMT References: <27494@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> <1991Mar18.204049.9791@en.ecn.purdue.edu> <1991Mar19.222827.16244@en.ecn.purdue.edu> Sender: news@crdgw1.crd.ge.com Reply-To: Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development Lines: 85 In-reply-to: wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu's message of 19 Mar 91 22:28:27 GMT #include "nomex.h" Notice: This article contains what may seem to be a flame. As I don't wish to alarm you, there is also an explanation of why the flame started in the first place. I thought about deleting it and just sending off the rational part, but it doesn't make the point quite as plainly. Read with a grain (nay, a slab) of salt. In article <1991Mar19.222827.16244@en.ecn.purdue.edu> wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (William A Warner) writes: # >How are you so absolutely positive that it's a hardware problem, and # >not an operator problem? I am posting this article from an Amiga 3000 with # >TWO internal hard drives. One is in the rear bay, a Quantum 105. The # >other is in the second floppy bay (had to drill some extra holes for it) # >and is a Quantum 170. I've never had any problems with my drives. # > # > # >-- Frank McPherson INTERNET: emcphers@fox.cs.vt.edu -- # # Just because you haven't had troubles with your particular setup # doesn't necessarily mean that all of the 3000's having troubles # are setup wrong. I am an electronics technician and know # troubleshooting procedures thoroughly! It can not be a # setup/operator error if someone follows all given directions "to # the letter" and still has problems. This puts the blame on # either poor directions (left out procedures) or faulty system # hw/sw. If I were the only person having this problem and posting # to this net, then I might tend to agree with you. Due to the # fact that I have received over 25 e-mails from different # individuals with different setups, I have to disagree. There # were Seagates, Conners, Quantums, Miniscribes, etc that were not # being recognized upon cold startups and alternating warm-reboots # therafter. If anyone has solved this problem or has EDUCATED # suggestions, PLEASE write or post. # # Thank-you. # -- # Art Warner # wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu # Amiga makes it happen.......IBM, Mac, Sun, and Next make it expensive! #define HARSH_WORDS_AHEAD OK "Mr. I know troubleshooting procedures thoroughly", what's the common denominator? If you have 25 cases, then you ought to have enough info to tell us that, and to solve the problem, instead of griping about how Commodore has their heads wedged. Have you at least sent this compilation of problems to "bugs@cbmvax"? Are you, in fact, trying to solve this, or are you just trying to be a squeaky wheel and make someone else do the work? I've got two Quantums (the stock 105 and an 80) on my 3000 and they work great. Give me until tomorrow and I'll send you the Kick/Work revisions, my partition list, and my motherboard revs. Get that info from everybody else on your list, and then if you don't feel like doing the skull work yourself, pass it off to me and I'll be glad to collate it and try to find the LCD. Just do your cause a favor and stop screaming your head off without providing any more useful info than "It's broken and those nasty people at Commodore can't read my mind and my system config long distance over the network and fix it!" #undef HARSH_WORDS_AHEAD #define EXPLANATION_FOLLOWS Sorry about the flaming here, but I'm just tired of all this flak. I'm serious here. Send me the info you've recieved, and I'll try and take a serious look at the problem. Anybody who is having this problem, send me the Kick/Work revisions, your startup-sequences, mountlists, etc. Motherboard revs and HD specs will be useful as well. I'll post a summary as soon as the expected flood turns into a trickle. Let's see if we can nail this sucker. I don't think you're all crazy, I just think that we need to apply a little less Chicken Little and a little more scientific method to this problem. - MM -- passaretti@crd.ge.com {whatever}!crdgw1!brahe!passaret