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From: tagreen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Todd A. Green)
Subject: Re: The Fate of the Macintosh
Message-ID: <1991Mar23.225116.21450@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
References: <1991Mar22.154811.8691@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu> <1991Mar23.190432.5683@cc.helsinki.fi>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 91 22:51:16 GMT
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In article <1991Mar23.190432.5683@cc.helsinki.fi> jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>In article <1991Mar22.154811.8691@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu>, rdeal@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (Butch Deal) writes:
> [stuff deleted]
>Where is this "knowledge" from? Ever programmed a NeXT? All the basic
>functions a programmer needs are implemented in ApplicationKit and
>MusicKit. They are ready to use with Objective C. I am pretty sure that
>a NeXT is far more easy to program than a MAC. Oh, and there is the
>Interface Builder, too. The Unix just provides multi-tasking, virtual
>memory and other goodies. If you _want_ to use the Unix tools they are
>always there, but there is no need to use them in normal programming -
>they just add more functionality.
> [more stuff deleted]
>			Jouni Alkio, Helsinki, Finland

Have you ever programmed the Mac?  It took me all of 1 day from the
time I received THINK C and Inside Mac I-V to get a program compiled and
running. (And no it wasn't "Hello World" ;) ).  While the IB is nice,
I have to say right now I prefere ResEdit 2.1.  I'll admit I'm biased
as all heck having used ResEdit for a considerable length of time, and
still being new to NeXT programming. But I find progamming the NeXT
much more complicated.  With all the .prog, .nib, .m's, .tiff,
.iconheader files...objective C (which again is new for me). Having
to learn about classes, inheritance, etc.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that any Joe-blow C or Pascal
programmer can pick up a book and learn to program the Mac (at least
the basics) in a matter of days.  I have not found the transition to
the NeXT as easy.  But this is just my personal experience.  Maybe
others have found it easier.  (Especially those who are already
objective C programmers, which seems to be my biggest hindrance, that
along with the lack of information.  The only sources that I have are
what came online with NeXTstep 2.0 ).  Well time will tell as I become
more familiar with the IB, and objective C. Maybe I can make a more
definitive comparison then.  Right now I'd love to be back in THINK C.

Todd
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