Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!info-high-audio-request From: rgaetz@hydra.unm.edu (Robert Gaetz) Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end Subject: Improving Message-ID: <10340@uwm.edu> Date: 19 Mar 91 13:46:43 GMT Sender: news@uwm.edu Lines: 42 Approved: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Originator: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Hello. Some months ago I posted a possible suggestion as to why certain types of black magic such as spray applications, green markers, and damping rings could make a sonic difference in what should, ideally, be a perfect data retrieval system. I had proposed that it seemed possible that noise on the digital signal could get through the DAC and end up bulrring its output just enough to be audible. My only reply was a flame wondering how I could think such a dumb thing since digital circuits rely on saturation logic and so this can't be the case. Well, I suppose it's easier to simply write off all these reports of improved performance than to actually look into the problem, but luckily one company did look into it. Recently, the JVC XL-Z1010TN cd player was reviewed by TAS and the result was surprising. In short, they felt it was _the_best_ cd player they've ever heard. It seems JVC had their engineers look into these effects based on the assumption that there was somthing making a difference. Essentially, they found that noise on the digital signal seemed to effect sound quality, so they built a circuit that took a quick peek at the incomming digital signal to determine whether it was a high or low then generated a completely new signal which went to the DAC. Now, I'm not trying to say that everyone out there who comes up with a miracle cure for an alleged problem should be taken seriously, certainly anyone who would spend $349.95 for a digital clock (Douglas Adams would have a field day with this one!!) to improve their stereo should think seriously about what they're about to do. I tend to think there's overwhelming reason to think there's some other factor contributing to the sound quality of digital audio. In addition to the reasons I mentioned before, the issue of 20th generation copies of digital material sounding different seems to be a clear sign that noise is a contributing factor to sound quality. If you listen to a 20th generation copy of an analog signal, you'd probly find that, among other things, it is a lot noiser than the original, so surely the data on a 20th generation digital signal will contain much more noise than the original. I may only be an undergrad EE, but I don't think it's fair to suggest that a person has to be a Physicist to be any good at pool. Robert Gaetz