Newsgroups: rec.skydiving Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!gr.utah.edu!wtm From: wtm%gr.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Thomas McCollough) Subject: Re: Fatality In Colorado Date: 21 Mar 91 16:36:58 MST Message-ID: <1991Mar21.163658.24250@hellgate.utah.edu> Organization: Engineering Geometry Systems References: <2020013@hpfelg.HP.COM> <1991Mar21.191611.181@athena.mit.edu> In article <1991Mar21.191611.181@athena.mit.edu> jnrees@athena.mit.edu (Jim Rees) writes: >In article <2020013@hpfelg.HP.COM> larry@hpfelg.HP.COM (Larry Chapman X3117) writes: >> >>What could have saved this student? >> >> 1) A jumpmaster that didn't let him "get away". >> 2) An AAD that worked (they, like altimeters don't work well in a burble like >> encountered when you are upside down). >> 3) Pulling the main rip cord (a Stevens line was in place). >> 4) Pulling the reserve rip cord. >> > ... >Technically, an AFF JM is always to be in full control of his/her AFF >student during ground training, ride to altitude, the skydive, all the >way to signing the log book. More specifically, it is the JM's ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >responsibility to pull the student's ripcord (at or above a reasonable ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >altitude) if the student does not. AFF JM's are rated in part by >their ability to satisfy this requirement. Without knowing more >details of the incident, however, I would not necessarily say that it >was possible for the JM to save this student. ... > Jim Rees > D-13359 > SL/AFF JM '91 I believe that your words are too strong. If I remember correctly, it is taught in the AFF certification course as follows: 1. The student is ultimately responsible for saving his/her life on any AFF skydive. 2. The jumpmaster is the primary level of backup should the student fail to attempt to save his/her life by pulling a ripcord. 3. The AAD is the secondary level of backup should both the student and the jumpmaster fail. I do not believe that "the jumpmaster has the responsibility to pull the student's ripcord". The jumpmaster is a backup system that is subject to failure. The student has the responsibility to pull his/her own ripcord on any AFF jump. I believe that this should be made clear to any student who boards an aircraft. A student who believes that "the jumpmaster has the responsibility to pull my ripcord" has decreased motivation for pulling the ripcord him/herself. I want my students to have *maximum motivation* to save their own lives. It's a tough job saving lives all weekend. Tom McCollough D-10882 S/L, AFF Instructor 1991