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From: vsnyder@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Van Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.fortran
Subject: Re: Throwing stones at standard committee (was Cheating on the types)
Message-ID: <1991Mar26.005251.8162@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>
Date: 26 Mar 91 00:52:51 GMT
References: <1991Mar20.195732.15376@appmag.com> <10146@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <10208@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <8517@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1991Mar22.202121.26272@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> <18835@lanl.gov>
Reply-To: vsnyder@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Van Snyder)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
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In my posting on this topic <1991Mar22.202121.26272@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> I wrote
>|> If you don't like something about the way the language is designed, propose
>|> an alternative, don't insult the people who worked hard to get what we have.
                                     ^^^^^^
In article <18835@lanl.gov> jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (Jim Giles) writes:
>I have the third public review letters here in front of me.  The letter
>from W. Van Snyder of the Nasa Jet Propulsion Laboratory was among the
>most critical of them... [stuff deleted]
>
>So, before reprimanding people for complaining about the proposed
>standard, remember that our experience with the committee may have
 ^^^^^^^^
I didn't complain about complaining about the proposed standard.  I complained
about asserting that the members of the standards committee were unable to
understand general principles of language design.

>been as unacceptable as yours (or more so).  Complaining in a public
>forum is the only option left to those of us whose comments were
 ^^^^^
I didn't publish my criticisms -- X3J3 did.

>ignored or misrepresented by the committee in the past.
>
>J. Giles

I've been critical of the standard, and critical of the treatment my comments
received, but I've tried to stay away from character assasination.  But I
understand that in some environments, the tradition is first to try to
demonstrate that somebody with whom you disagree can't possibly possess the
mental and moral capacity to be right, or even sincere, and only then to
disagree with what he said.

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