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From: mvp@hsv3.UUCP (Mike Van Pelt)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: EFF and CPSR don't have the same purpose.
Keywords: EFF college academia chapters
Message-ID: <7858@hsv3.UUCP>
Date: 26 Mar 91 23:35:20 GMT
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In article <1396@gargoyle.uchicago.edu> learn@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (William  Vajk ) writes:
>In article <7846@hsv3.UUCP> mvp@hsv3.UUCP (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
 [re: steering people interested in local EFF chapters to CPSR]
>>Yes, but there are people interested in promoting the aims of EFF who
>>aren't interested in promoting the entire spectrum of trendy causes 
>>which the Politically Correct define as "Social Responsibility."
>
>It is of great interest to me to hear how "the Politically Correct"
>might define "Social Responsibility" any differently then Mike Van Pelt
>does.

I was (briefly) on CPSR's mailing list.  It mostly looked to me like
"Unilateral Disarmament *NOW*" stuff, with a technogeek spin:  "Because
There's Always One More Bug..." prefix to the unilateral disarmament
demand.  These topics have little to do with the Electronic Frontier.

>Beyond that, I am also interested in hearing what the "trendy causes"
>might include which, by implication in the included text, have little to 
>no permanent significance to our societal framework.

For starters: Unilateral disarmament.  Anti-strategic-defense.  Socialism.
None of this has anything to do with keeping the Electronic Frontier open.

>It seems that everyone who has thought about the issues we discuss here
>determines which axe, if any, they wish to grind. In my experience, such
>axes are merely a focal point of an individual's interest, and don't seem
>to denote exclusivity of interest at the expense of other, though perhaps
>somewhat lesser, emotional attachment to causes celebre.

True.  But the subset of us who don't want the Electronic Frontier
closed off with a bunch of stupid, wrongheaded, misguided laws written
by technoilliterates in Congress and various state legislatures does
not by any means have a 100% overlap with those who have axes of the
Trendy Campus Left type to grind.  I might join an EFF chapter.  I
would not join a CPSR chapter.

Which is the only aspect of this debate that really belongs in this
group.  Debates on the merits of disarmament, strategic defense, and
socialism should go to the appropriate talk.politics groups; this is
not the place for them.
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