Path: utzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!samsung!crackers!daveg From: daveg@intruder.clearpoint.com (Dave Goldblatt) Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.programmer Subject: Re: Borland Message-ID: Date: 26 Mar 91 09:39:09 GMT References: <27645@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> Sender: news@crackers.clearpoint.com Reply-To: daveg@intruder.clearpoint.com Followup-To: /dev/null Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp, Hopkinton MA 01748 Lines: 49 In-reply-to: jdb@reef.cis.ufl.edu's message of 25 Mar 91 20:08:31 GMT [Sorry for what may seem to be a flame, but this stuff is really starting to irk me.] In article <27645@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jdb@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Brian K. W. Hook) writes: Is it just me or is Borland royally shafting C developers? I mean, we have TP for Windows (which INCLUDES Windows classes!), we have TP 6.0 with ObjectVision, and we have ObjectVision....all include GUI classes. And now we have BC++, which is highly popular, with NO GUI classes built in. I feel like we're getting ripped. Fine. Don't use Borland, then. Buy Microsoft C. But wait! It doesn't include Windows classes either! In fact, it doesn't even include a C++ compiler! Borland has said that at some point they may add similar functionality to Borland C++. If you need them now, go out and buy a commercial package! There's plenty of them out there! I'd much prefer that Borland's R&D would be spent on enhancing their language products than putting out classes which I'd probably end up rewriting anyway. Then again, maybe I just don't want to code in Pascal and am whining.... This sounds like it's the case. Sorry, but you said it. :-) Would you be willing to spend another $250 on the Borland C++ compiler if they included a basic class library? No? Then what's the problem? How much did you pay for your Borland C++? Did you get it through the upgrade? Irregardless of that, sit down and figure out how much MS C 6.0 and the SDK would cost you. "Getting ripped" certainly doesn't qualify. *sigh* Yeah. I'm sorry, but I'm really tired of this sort of complaint. If you need a GUI library, WRITE ONE. Then give it away (a la GNU). Needless to say, these are MY opinions. You may share them, and if so, I sympathize. :-) -dg- -- "..This kettle is boiling over | Dave Goldblatt [daveg@clearpoint.com] I think I'm a banana tree.. | Software Engineering (Subsystems) Oh, dear, I'm going slightly mad.." | Clearpoint Research Corporation - Queen | 35 Parkwood Dr., Hopkinton, MA