Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!ucbvax!sumex-aim.stanford.edu!Info-Mac-Request From: Info-Mac-Request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (The Moderators) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest Subject: (RESEND) Info-Mac Digest V9 #73 Message-ID: Date: 28 Mar 91 22:10:39 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: Info-Mac-Request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu Organization: The Internet Lines: 707 Approved: info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu 26-Mar-91 6:31:52-GMT,27296;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: by sumex-aim.stanford.edu (4.0/inc-1.0) id AA11266; Mon, 25 Mar 91 21:11:43 PST Full-Name: Info-Mac Moderator Message-Id: <9103260511.AA11266@sumex-aim.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 21:11:30 PST From: The Moderators Reply-To: Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu Subject: Info-Mac Digest V9 #73 To: info-mac-list@sumex-aim.stanford.edu Info-Mac Digest Mon, 25 Mar 91 Volume 9 : Issue 73 Today's Topics: "Print Report" in Supercard A Mac+ problem... Apple Personal LaserWriter NT Bilingual dictionaries? CD ROM woes Cleaning mice & keyboards Copyright and look and feel Copyrights, Appology, & Intelectual Propty Exchanging word processing formats? Flight simulator help requested Help Hypercard get the clickchunk Mac+ problems continued... Mac-based BBi software Mac Backgammon? Mac IIsi or Mac IIci? Mac portables (clones) ? MacX font Modem cable Need a pc board design program Sesame C from the archives. Ssytem 7.o and virtual memory Sun Monitor for Mac Transporting Mac to Eastern Europe? TrueType(tm) font availability TrueType Observations and Queries White Knight 11.10 (Info-Mac Digest V9 #69) The Info-Mac newsgroup is moderated by Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files and indices are in /info-mac/help. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Mar 91 20:42:55 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Capouch Subject: "Print Report" in Supercard I wonder if anyone out there could help me, but I worry some because I recall seeing this selfsame question, except pertaining to Hypercard, posted a few weeks ago, and it went without answer. Our "revved-up" Supercard 1.5 no longer has the "print report" menu item, and it is something we badly need to complete a project we're undertaking. Does anyone out there know how we might regain its functionality? The folks at Silicon Beach suggested just copying the "Print" project from the old version, and upgrading it, but it seems there are a lot of incompatibilities that cause it to repeatedly go into script errors. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated. Brian Capouch, Saint Joseph's College brianc@saintjoe.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 20:24:49 EST From: Dieder Bylsma Subject: A Mac+ problem... Okay, I need some advice... How on earth do I tell if my Mac+ powersupply is going on the blitz with me? How do I differentiate that from any noise or powersurge that is occuring on the lines? My screen is playing really neat tricks on me...mainly surging and shrinking by a milimeter or so on each side. Not amusing... I'm stuck for a solution, so if someone could tell me what the daylights is going on here, I'd be much obliged. Please e-mail me directly. If you know a possible solution please mail me, don't say that someone else will, because that may well not be the case. Thanks, Desperately, Dieder Bylsma Surging, shrinking, warping...whatever you call it, this screen ain't constant. in width, seems to be jittery, like I am I suppose. But it ain't my nerves. That I know for sure. :( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 12:16:09 CST From: Marshall Carroll Subject: Apple Personal LaserWriter NT Hi. Could someone give a complete description of the SIMM's used for the RAM in an Apple Personal LaserWriter NT? (number of pins, low or high profile, clock speed, surface mount, static or dynamic, etc.). Thanks, Marsh p.s. Could someone do the same thing for those used to upgrade the RAM memory in a IIsi? Internet: NU163467@VM1.NODAK.EDU BITNET: NU163467@NDSUVM1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1991 12:45 PST From: Fred Condo Subject: Bilingual dictionaries? Does anyone know of bilingual dictionaries for the Mac? On CD-ROM, perhaps? I am particularly interested in having online French-English and German- English dictionaries, although a French-German dictionary would be useful, too. It would be particularly useful if these contained technical terms relating to psychology and information systems. If any of our readers in Europe are reading this, please let me know if anything of this sort is available there. Barring machine-readable things of this nature, I would be interested in a technical/scientific dictionary for French. Also, does anyone know of a good thesaurus program? The commonly available ones have their vocabulary limited to that of commerce and business. I am interested in literary and technical thesauruses. Please reply directly to condof@clargrad.bitnet or clargrad.claremont.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1991 12:13 PST From: Fred Condo Subject: CD ROM woes Several people have written to me about my Apple CDSC drive that would inter- mittently forget how to mount a disc. All but one suggested that the fan had sucked dust into the case, soiling the lens. I neglected to mention that mine is one of the newer drives that has had the fan omitted, so this could not be the case. One person experiencing the same problem solved it by changing the SCSI ID of the CD drive, even though there was no ID conflict. I tried this, changing the ID from 3 to 6, and it seems to have worked. This is obviously some subtle magic not within the official description of SCSI workings, but it does seem to have worked. My thanks to all who took the time to reply. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 18:40:33 EST From: jbotz%MHC.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu Subject: Cleaning mice & keyboards I'm trying to find an efficient method for cleaning mice in a lab environment. A long time ago I saw some mouse cleaning kits which consisted of a fuzzy ball which one soaked in cleaning fluid and then inserted into the mouse and rolled around. How well does this work and where can one get such a nowadays? I haven't seen them in years. What do people do to clean their keyboards? When I was a computer technician, many years ago, a customer once brought in a keyboard which they had tried to wash in the dishwasher... needless to say that that's not the best approch... not even a single switch was salvageabl! ;-) All information, inspiration, and speculation is greatly appreciated. Thanx in advance, Jurgen. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 91 12:01:05 GMT From: Michael Everson Subject: Copyright and look and feel Jorge Luis Borges once wrote a short story in which an author set out to rewrite Cervantes' Don Quixote--without having read the original. And he set out to recreate it in Cervantes' medieval dialect of Spanish! It's a great story, whose exact title I forget (but it's obvious and has DQ in the title); refreshing look at the problems some of these would-be Apple Frankensteins are having..... Michael ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 91 18:17:37 GMT From: garyg@zip.convergent.com (Gary Greene) Subject: Copyrights, Appology, & Intelectual Propty Gee! What's all this sticky stuff running down my face ...tastes a bit like raw egg. Well it seems I may have stepped into some of the deep stuff with this copyright business and I appologize to the net and to Knut for any misstatements I may have made. I received several comments to the effect that it is not the idea which can be copyrighted, but its concrete expression. My thanks particularly to Dr. Marvin Bensman, J.D., Ph.D. at MIT for making some clarifying remarks, and the kind manner in which he made them. I am NOT a lawyer nor was I making ANY pretension to give LEGAL advice. I am a graphic artist, so perhaps the law applies differently to me then it does to the rest of you ...or perhaps I am even more confused than it seems. This is how it applies in my field: if I draw a cartoon character, no matter what position I put them in, or what I do with them, and that character is recognizably Bugs Bunny, whether I call him that or not, Warner Brother's legal department will have me for breakfast if I offer this character in some commercial enterprise, like a sign or a silkscreen for a tee-shirt. This has happened in several specific cases I know of. The character, not just the lines or the representation is copyrighted. This is a case where an "idea", in the everyday sense at least, is copyrighted. The category of a cartoon rabbit cannot be copyrighted, but the implementation that Warner Brothers came up with most definately is. Additionally, if Warner Brothers does not protect their copyright when it is infringed they will lose it to the public domain. By the same token I may not write a book using the characters Tom Clancy invented in The Hunt for Red October. In order to compete with Tom or Warner my efforts must be substantialy different in order to be legal. What Knut asked was "Would writing shareware based completely on a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ on a commercial idea (be legal) ...(e)ven if the shareware author is in a different country than the original company, calls it some- thing else, and makes menu's, windows, graphics, source code, etc., all his own?" Adobe Illustrator and Aldus Freehand are substantially similar programs, but neither is based completely on the other. I strongly suspect that Adobe would have sued if Altsys (the developer) had based Freehand completely on Illustrator. I think that Knut is opening himself up to some substantial risk UNLESS he makes sufficient changes in his implementation that the two are only similar. I would also point out in my own defense, that as Knut uses the term "idea", that I took him to mean the everyday conversational sense of the word, and not the legal meaning. Sincerly, Gary Greene Unisys/Convergent Technology San Jose, California garyg@convergent.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1991 10:20 EST From: "I spent four years prostrate to the higher mind, got my paper and I was free..." Subject: Exchanging word processing formats? I'm looking for software that transfers documents from one word processing format to another. I work in a lab that runs only Word 4.0; people come in with documents created by all kinds of other word processors and want to print them on our printer. Word can read all the other documents, but with some of them it can only read the document as text -- all formatting is lost. This isn't a big deal until somebody comes in with a resume or something that's very format-intensive. For our PCs, we have Word Exchange, which transfers documents from one word processing format to another and retains the formatting. Does anyone know of any software such as this for the Mac? Please reply to me, and if there's enough interest, I'll summarize to the net. Thanks! Ashley Hill, Haverford College A_HILL@ACC.HAVERFORD.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 12:04 EST From: DRBH@db1.cc.rochester.edu Subject: Flight simulator help requested >From Barry G. Hall Reply to DRBH@UORDBV Does anyone know a way to use Flight Simulator (1.01 or 1.02) from a hard drive and under any system other than the one one the original disk? As far as I can tell the only way to copy the program is with its own backup program, which makes only a single backup, or by using CopyII Mac which makes a faithful 400K disk copy. In either case the program only runs when the fltSim disk is the boot disk and the system 4.1 is unmodified. There is not room on the disk to install the driver for the Gravis MouseStick, a joy stick that would give considerablly more control than doews the mouse. I would like to run Flight Simulator from my hard drive using system 6.03, to be able to use the Mouse Stick, and to be able to use the large screen I got for my SE. It's init requires system 6.01. Any ideas? Please reply to me directly at DRBH@UORDBV. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 14:42:48 CST From: Robert Blystone Subject: Help Help: At times the adminstration of my institution perfers to listen to persons from off campus. "you can't be a profit in your own land." Our school is about to equip a media lecture room with a video projector, CD-ROM player, LCD overhead, and a laser disk. They intend to interface with a 2-si. Several of us have strongly suggested that the CPU be a 2-ci. I would appreciate any words from as many people as possible as to why the 2-ci would be a better choice. Thanks and appreciation for any replies. Robert Blystone Trinity University RBLYSTON@TRINITY ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 91 19:22:00 +0100 From: GAUTHIER%frcict81.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Hypercard get the clickchunk According to hypertalkreference the value returned by get the clickchunk should be word posinteger of cd(bg) field posinteger in fact it seems unless i am mistaken that it always returns char posinteger to char posinteger of ........ What is going on? how can I know the position of a word in a field? Any help appreciated? Robert Gauthier SCiences du Langage Univ. Toulouse-le Mirail` France ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 20:51:29 EST From: UOG01162@vm.uoguelph.ca Subject: Mac+ problems continued... After phoning the power company, it would seem that the problems do reside within my Mac+. I remember that a number of people mentioned a book that instructs one on how to repair various common problems of a Mac. I also remember that the Mac+ has an infamous powersupply. But does this mean that this mac I'm using, made in 1988 has an unreliable power supply? I've been using it for ages and this has never happened. The screen itself seems to be fine, as is the crispness of display and the level of focus. So, what now? Still rather desperate, Dieder Bylsma ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 14:07:06 -0500 From: David M. Gursky Subject: Mac-based BBi software I am interested in setting up a bulletin board on a Macintosh. I know of four applications to let me do this: Second Sight, Mansion, WWIV and Hermes. Are there other Mac-based BBS applications out there and what are people's opinions on these pieces of software. [Yes, the BBS must be on the Mac. Comments about PC-based software are of no value in this case.] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1991 14:23 EST From: AMINZADE%uvmvax.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Mac Backgammon? Enough work for a while. I'm wondering about games. Has anybody seen a Mac Backgammon game. DA or application would be OK. Shareware or cheap commercial OK too. Preferably one that a single user could compete with the computer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 12:25:49 CST From: Fabio@cca.pue.udlap.mx Subject: Mac IIsi or Mac IIci? Hi all, this is a very simple question: I need to buy a mac II system, the question is: which one Mac IIsi or ci? My sister and I are studing engeneering ( chemistry and electronic ). According with your experiences could some one of you solve this doubt? Please reply directely to me. Thank you Fabio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 12:02 EDT From: (Peter Jorgensen) Subject: Mac portables (clones) ? Greetings, We have a professor here who wants to buy a laptop Mac for use in Europe next year. He doesn't want to spend what it would take to buy the Apple Mac portable. I know some new models from Apple are in the works, but what experience do you have with the alternatives that are available now? How about the Outbound, Colby, etc.? Thanks in advance - Peter Jorgensen - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 11:34:09 EST From: xing%ECE.Drexel.EDU@ricevm1.rice.edu (Xing Li) Subject: MacX font Greetings, I have installed MacX 1.1 in a Mac Plus [the most powerful Mac in our lab (-: ], it works great. The speed is better than I thought, even the communication is performed through a local_talk network. The only thing I cannot figure out is the font structure. I would like to install more fonts into the MacX, especially the 2 byte fonts (i.e. Chinese). Could anyone help me? Thanks in advance. Xing (xing\@cbis.ece.drexel.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 11:32:22 CST From: Steve Schaffer Subject: Modem cable I have an old Apple 1200 baud modem which I'd like to hook up to my SE/30. I was planning to make a cable and already have the parts, but there are a couple of pins on the Mac's serial port that the modem does not have. TheMac has positive & negative Tx and Rx data pins but the modem has Tx, Rx, and a signal ground. Can I wire both Tx- and Rx- from the Mac to the modem's common ground or is there something different I must do? Steve Schaffer schaffer@erlang.tisl.ukans.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 11:59 EDT From: (Peter Jorgensen) Subject: Need a pc board design program Greetings, We have a student in the computer music program who needs a circuit board design program to help him with one of his hardware projects. If you have a suggestion, or advice on one to stay away from, please reply directly to me. I'll post a summary. Thanks - Peter Jorgensen - PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 15:35:03 -0600 From: Douglas Renze Subject: Sesame C from the archives. Has anybody tried "Sesame C" from the archives [it's in info-mac/lang]? If you have, would you please contact me, or if any of the authors read this list, would you please contact me? I have some questions about it for any know- ledgable people. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1991 13:49 EST From: MacPhreak! Subject: Ssytem 7.o and virtual memory Hello, I have a burnung question that I hope someone could answer it. As usual mail to me and I will summarize to the net. I read somewhere that the virtual memory feature in System 7.0 will only work on hard disks that have been initialized with the "Apple HD SC Setup". Is this true? The reason why I ask is that I just bought a Quantum 105 Mb hard disk to put on my new IIci. I just installed the drive and tried to format it with the apple "Apple HD SC Setup" utility and it would not recognize the drive. I was then forced to format it with the software that came with it. If what I read is true, then I would really want to format my disk with the Apple utility. Is there a way around this? Or is Apple screwing the people that bought HD's from third party vendors? Juan Pons INTERNET JPons@Jack.ClarkU.Edu BITNET JPons@ClarkU AOL MacPhreak ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1991 22:14:14 +0100 From: Joshua Lieberman Subject: Sun Monitor for Mac For those following up my question of Mac video cards to run Sun monitors, I received this >From Michael Ngo by way of Paul Woodman: Date: 25 Feb 91 19:01:03 GMT >From: htn@mips.com (Michael Ngo) Subject: Sun 3/50 monitor <==> Mac 2-page Display X-Art: Usenet #24 I posted an inquiry a while back regarding the use of Sun 3/50 monitor as a dual page display for Macintosh machine. Since then, I received a lot of mails from people who are looking for the same thing. Thus, I'm posting my finding back on the network to let them know, rather than responding to each and every one. Mr. Johnson (@ Sun Microsystem), was kindly enough to point me to the right source. The company name is Lapis Technology located in Alameda, CA. They make nubus board call the Display Server which allows you to use a wide variety of monitor types with the Macintosh, including the Sun monitor. Follow is an summary of Display Server Product spec sheet: o Features: Supports PC, Apple, and many other monitors, including full page displays, dual page displays and overhead projection. Field programmable LCA configures during start-up Dual screen software allows internal monitor to be used together with the external monitor. o Current Supported Monitors CLAS RESOLUTION HORZ RATE VERT RATE ------------- ---------- --------- --------- Mono TTL 528x350 18.4 KHz 50 Hz Apple 12" Mono 640x480 35.0 KHz 65 Hz Apple 13" RGB 640x480 35.0 KHz 65 Hz Apple portrait 640x872 68.85 KHz 75 Hz Apple dual pg 1152x872 68.5 KHz 75 Hz Dual Page 1152x872 63.2 KHz 75.7 Hz Dual Page 1024x872 64.7 KHz 78 Hz Sun ==> Dual Page 1152x910 62.5 KHz 66.7 Hz Full Page 640x872 62.75 KHz 68 Hz Multi Sync 640x480 30.0 KHz 60 Hz VGA 640x480 31.5 KHz 60 Hz LCD Pannel 640x320 31.5 KHz 60 Hz LCD Pannel 640x350 21.5 KHz 60 Hz Their sale representative is Susan Tussy and her number is (415) 748-1612. I just ordered the SE Display Server model SE-DPD and should be receiving it within a few days. Good Luck, Mike N. Has anyone experience with this video card to report? If and when I manage to spirit one across the seas, I'll pass on further information. >>Joshua Lieberman MPI-Uni Bern Switzerland ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 91 01:32:27 GMT From: lynn@casbs.stanford.edu (Lynn Gale) Subject: Transporting Mac to Eastern Europe? A visiting Czech professor would like to purchase a Macintosh in California and transport it home when he leaves at the end of the year. What questions should we be asking about this process? He is considering buying an SE/30. Is it likely the SE/30 could be carried aboard the passenger compartment of a plane? If not, or if he opts for a bigger machine, is it safe to send through baggage when packed in its original shipping carton? Or is there an alternative way one might ship it to Czechoslovakia? The voltage and frequency specs seem to be compatible with what is required. What about servicing, or buying peripherals (e.g., modem, printer, video card and monitor) and software in Czechoslovakia or a neighboring country? Has Apple made a market in Europe or is he going to be stranded in a sea of IBM compatibles? Thanks in advance for your suggestions and help! lynn@casbs.stanford.edu -or- lynn%casbs@stanford.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 21:31:48 -0500 From: bda@uengr.calvin.edu (Bruce Abernethy) Subject: TrueType(tm) font availability I have been experimenting with TrueType for a few days now and I really do like it. I have ATM 2.0 and TT is faster and works better with the interface (i.e. the font sizes in the correct menus, FontDA mover 4.1 does away with the need to have external printer fonts, courier looks much better, and the speed is very quick). But, are there any 3rd party fonts out there to fill out the standard LaserWriter II font families (Palitino, Bookman, the Zaphs, Symbol, as well as the italic and bold italic of these families)? If these were available at a reasonable cost the switch from ATM to TT would be natural and easy for me to accomplish. However, if I cannot find these fonts I will just keep ATM around for a little longer (they both work together really nicely, if there is a font that the two have in common TrueType wins hands-down.) Bruce Abernethy bda@uengr.calvin.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 23:26:28 PST From: Les_Ferch@mtsg.ubc.ca Subject: TrueType Observations and Queries I experimented with the TrueType software under System 6.0.7 today and discovered a couple of interesting things. The fonts included on the distribution at apple.com are Symbol, Courier and Courier Bold, Helvetica and Helvetica Bold, and Times in normal, bold, italic, and bold italic. I wonder if italic and bold italic versions of Courier and Helvetica are available without resorting to converting ATM fonts to TrueType. I also wonder about getting the rest of the LaserWriter Plus family of fonts. It would be nice if we get these without paying an outrageous price like Adobe charges. Some quick tests on a Mac IIci indicated that TrueType is slightly faster than ATM at generating new font sizes on screen. The TrueType fonts looked very similar, but I think they were slightly better looking (I compared 16 point Times). TrueType does not show up in the Control Panel, so there seems to be no configuration options (like ATM's cache size adjustment) and no way to turn it off except rebooting with it out of the System Folder or turned off via an init manager. Is there something hidden that I've missed? The Readme file says that you must use Installer to install the new printer drivers and fonts, but does not say why. I found that installing a printer driver via Installer is the same as dragging it into the System Folder (ie. the System File was not modified). It also seemed that Installing the TrueType fonts is the same as copying them to the System File with Font/DA mover 4.1. However, I got 95 bytes more in my System File using Installer than using Font/DA Mover 4.1. I could not figure out where the difference is. Anybody know? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 12:36:41 EST From: barnett@unclejack.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) Subject: White Knight 11.10 (Info-Mac Digest V9 #69) > From: "Glenn Fleishman" > Subject: Re: White Knight 11.10 (Info-Mac Digest V9 #69) >I would like to send some mail to Scott Watson, programmer of Red Ryder . . . >White Knight 11.x. His only e-mail address listed is on the GEnie system. Does >anyone know an internet address for him or the internet formula to send to >GEnie? There is no internet gateway to GEnie. GEnie does not support external mail addresses. It is a closed system. Bruce Barnett Domain administrator for GE.COM. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 14:51:03 EST From: dlandry@ncs.dnd.ca (Dominique Landry) Hello Think C programmers: I'd like to know the most efficient method of writing a program in Think C that will recognize wheter or not a given Macintosh has a Math co-processor; something similar to EXCEL(R) where if it finds that a math co-processor exists then it will use it, otherwise it will carry on just as none was found. I will provide a summary of the responses ... Thank you. Dominique Internet: dlandry@ncs.dnd.ca CompuServe: 71161,1044 Bus. Phone: (613)992-3391 ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************