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From: altman@sbpmt.cs.sunysb.edu (Jeff Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms.programmer
Subject: Re: Borland shafts C programmers AGAIN!
Message-ID: <1991Mar27.173542.5153@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
Date: 27 Mar 91 17:35:42 GMT
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In article <27650@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jdb@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Brian K. W. Hook) writes:
>Not ONLY does the new TP IDE run under Windows (even in enhanced mode), you
>can use the TDW while *IN* TP, according to PC Week.  Oh yeah, class
>library for Windows is included for TP for Windows, but NOT for BC++.  And
>you still have TurboVision for Pascal, but nothing comparable for BC++ or
>TC++.  *sigh*  What about *US*?  Geez, you'd think that Borland would be
>about fair all the way around, but it seems to *me* that C programmers are
>not getting the same quality of tools that Pascal programmers are getting.
>
>Of course, then again, I am just whining....
>

I know I am going to regret saying this, BUT:

C++ is much more complicated than a version of Pascal designed specificly 
for Windows programing.  How else can they support a one "Hello, World!" 
program for Windows?

TP is Borland's own language, they don't need to follow anyone else's 
specs on how things should work.  If it doesn't work the way they liek
thye can change it.  Borland doesn't need to worry about compatibility
with code from other people compilers.

Plus, there are many things about BC++ that are either incomplete or
not included.  Borland has explained this away by saying that they 
wanted to go to market as soon as they had something reasonable to sell.


So far from my experience using BC++, I like it alot better than MS C 6.0 and
and SDK.  Sure, there are some things wish I wish were there from the
SDK (but then again I own it so big deal).  

I would expect that we will all be receiving another upgrade notice by the end 
of the summer for a Windows version of the IDE.  On Compuserve, Borland
has posted some rudimentary Windows classes.  

Actually, the best thing that we as members of the net would do would be to 
start a discussion on what the classes should look like.  Then maybe Sidney
from Borland would pass them onto the developers and we would get what 
we are looking for.

>Brian
>


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- Jeff (jaltman@ccmail.sunysb.edu)