Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!apple!veritas!amdcad!amdcad!military From: silber@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ami A. Silberman) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Scharnhorst and Gneisenau Message-ID: <1991Mar27.051545.23217@amd.com> Date: 27 Mar 91 05:15:45 GMT References: <1991Mar23.061805.5362@amd.com> <1991Mar25.064942.29515@amd.com> <1991Mar26.031710.2797@amd.com> Sender: military@amd.com Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 29 Approved: military@amd.com From: silber@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ami A. Silberman) [I had to trim the quote on this one too! :-( --CDR] henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >However, the statistical sample here is very small, and it is difficult >to decide how much of this was the result of battlecruisers being used >improperly, notably Beatty at Jutland leading his battlecruiser force >into a pitched battle with comparable or superior vessels A major factor in the loss of the British BCs at Jutland was there extremely poor protection against magazine fire. The doors to the magazines were left open during firing, thus an explosion in either the turret of barbette could travel down the ammunition hoist and cause the magazine to detonate. (I think that the German powder either was less prone to being set off by accident, or they stored it better.) The Germans kept the doors closed, having learned their lesson when they nearly lost a BC at dogger bank to a magazine explosion. I think that they could also flood the magazines in less time than the British. Note that the British almost lost another of Beatties ships, it was saved only by flooding the magazine in the nick of time. I'm not sure where Invincible was hit, but both of Beatties ships were sunk due to turret/barbette hits. Note that the Germans did suffer severe damage as well, Vann der Tann lost all of her guns (mostly due to non-penetrating hits), Seydlitz took on so much water that she ran agground in her home port, and Lutzow had to be scuttled after the battle. ami silberman - janitor of lunacy