Xref: utzoo comp.ai.philosophy:787 comp.ai.neural-nets:3129 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!markh From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins) Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy,comp.ai.neural-nets Subject: Re: Continuous vs. discrete Message-ID: <10667@uwm.edu> Date: 1 Apr 91 16:02:04 GMT Article-I.D.: uwm.10667 References: <1991Mar30.040808.1896@ddsw1.MCS.COM> <1991Mar31.204818.15437@cs.ubc.ca> <70401@brunix.UUCP> Sender: news@uwm.edu Followup-To: comp.ai.philosophy Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 26 >In article <1991Mar31.204818.15437@cs.ubc.ca>, scharein@cs.ubc.ca (Robert Scharein) writes: (Space time is not discrete on the quantum scale (10^-23 seconds), but on the Quantum Gravity scale...) In article <70401@brunix.UUCP> cs196006@cs.brown.edu (Josh Hendrix) writes: >Whoa! Stop the bus! Wait a minute! I am not a physicist, and have only read a >few books on 'layman's quantum mechanics', but I've never run across this >assertion... It's more or less by an implicit consensus in the theoretical literature that the fundamental length, and time values derived from Planck's constant, the constant of gravitation, and the speed of light relate to fundamental units of measurement beyond which our notions of a continuum break down. Otherwise General Relativity would be true in the small, which it is not... The planck mass (which is actually weighable on a fairly sensitive scale) would be a natural threshold marking the boundary between small-scale quantum phenomena and large scale gravitational phenomena. You'll see the assumption (or convention) made by implication excatly when they say "Choose units that make c, h-bar and G equal to one...". Nobody really thinks much of it (yet), but it will relate to a fundamental truth in the next major breakthrough in our knowledge of Physics: namely that the constants are calibration factors that relate our everyday units to God's Units...