Xref: utzoo alt.folklore.computers:10614 comp.misc:11917 news.admin:13029 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!unisoft!greywolf From: greywolf@unisoft.UUCP (The Grey Wolf) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.misc,news.admin Subject: Re: The Jargon File -- an apologia Message-ID: <3461@unisoft.UUCP> Date: 31 Mar 91 20:20:00 GMT References: <1Zr0DW#37lgky6bXgdD31jqNy1Gg95B=eric@snark.thyrsus.com> <19116@rpp386.cactus.org> <1ZtF0O#754Tp97th6rb6mgr9j5k5BVG=eric@snark.thyrsus.com> <19119@rpp386.cactus.org> Reply-To: greywolf@unisoft.UUCP (The Grey Wolf) Organization: Foo Bar and Grill Lines: 66 /* <19119@rpp386.cactus.org> by jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F Haugh II) * In article <1ZtF0O#754Tp97th6rb6mgr9j5k5BVG=eric@snark.thyrsus.com> eric@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes: * >for a grand total of 2972 blocks (and that's before we start on the talk * >groups!). If the net is willing to tolerate *this* cruft every day, a * >Jargon File reposting every two weeks is bupkes. * * You are crossposting into the comp tree, which is one part of the USENET * heirarchy that people =do= tend to carry, even when they don't carry all * of alt, talk, or soc. As a counter example to your argument that waste * justifies more waste, here is alt on this machine - [Statistics deleted ] John, you're taking things out of context again and switching the argument to suit your point of view. * Clearly every system on USENET does not agree with your assessment that * soc, talk, and alt.sex.pictures are very valuable items to be carried * by everyone. You did it again. NOWHERE did he state that they were valuable items; he only stated that they take up lots of space. I agree that the last one is the biggest waste of net.bandwidth ever to hit. I think I rmgroup'd it here... * There are quite a few major corporations (AT&T to name just one) that * don't carry large portions of alt (I believe AT&T doesn't carry =any= of * alt). Many companies carry neither talk nor soc. Pity. * * There are more efficient ways of distributing the "Jargon" file which don't * involve posting every entry every time. To contrast your behavior against * source postings, it would be like posting the entire source to Elm or Perl * every other week when posting context diffs would be more efficient. What * do the maintainers of Elm and Perl do? They post diffs. What does Eric * do? He re-posts the entire object. Okay, so he reposts. Can you read, John? He says that it's *probably* *the* *last* *distribution* *to* *receive* *a* *full* *posting*, and that *future* *postings* *will* *appear* *as* *context* *diffs*. * * You choose to crosspost to comp.misc just so you can get the distribution. So what's wrong with that!? He chooses to take a route to achieve some sig- nificant distribution and you decide to cut him off? (see below) * I am sending a note to my newsfeed requesting that I no longer receive * comp.misc. I encourage others who are tired of seeing their systems abused * to do the same. Abused? I consider my system abused when megabytes of unwanted mail traffic goes through. News? It's news. We feed, we are fed. No big deal. And as far as your "encouragement" (which reeks of a closed mind, BTW!), I think you're just a bit slow on the draw. If you were going to do this, you should have done it when the file was posted for the second time. You're locking the barn door after your only horse has been stolen. * -- * John F. Haugh II | Distribution to | UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh * Ma Bell: (512) 832-8832 | GEnie PROHIBITED :-) | Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org * "I've never written a device driver, but I have written a device driver manual" * -- Robert Hartman, IDE Corp.