Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!male!jethro!exodus!randolph From: randolph@cognito.Eng.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: The end of privacy... and so what comes next? Summary: The glass city Message-ID: <10777@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: 1 Apr 91 08:40:30 GMT References: <63473@bbn.BBN.COM> Sender: news@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM Lines: 33 Bernie, you touch on serious philosophical issues here. We are here discussing nothing less than the line between society and individual. One philosopher to look at here is Michel Foucault -- look in the *Foucault Reader* under "Panopticism". Basically, I'd say that the less privacy, the more is subject to social control -- peer, family, market, religious, government, and so on. In psychology there is the idea of personal "boundaries" and the idea that too much invasion is psychologically destructive -- that sufficient invasion, even for the best reasons, creates psychological trauma. Experience seems to bear this out -- some of the most stressful situations of our lvies are the most public and extremely public societies tend towards conformity. Now, there are plenty of people who would be only too happy to force conformity on us all. But, even from a strictly utilitarian viewpoint, this is foolish; privacy is necessary for social flexibility and creativity. The only comfortable very public society would be one socialized to an almost unimaginable degree of tolerance -- perhaps a good thing. Finally, there has been some work on cryptographic protection of privacy; Brad Templeton hinted at some of it. The article in this area (you've given me the third reason to post the citation) David Chaum's "Security without Identification: Transaction Systems to Make Big Brother Obsolete". It's in Communications of the ACM, October 1985 issue (vol 28, number 10). Communications is of course published by the Association for Computing Machinery and, if you can't find it, I believe ACM does reprints. nd t ou ui R Press T __Randolph Fritz sun!cognito.eng!randolph || randolph@eng.sun.com ou ui Mountain View, California, North America, Earth nd t