Xref: utzoo alt.privacy:59 comp.org.eff.talk:1849 Newsgroups: alt.privacy,comp.org.eff.talk Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!m.cs.uiuc.edu!ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu!sunc4.cs.uiuc.edu!epstein From: epstein@sunc4.cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein) Subject: Re: Telephone Caller ID's Sender: news@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu Message-ID: <27F6FC7F.3E44@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1991 09:25:19 GMT References: <13801@asylum.SF.CA.US> <1991Mar29.154847.16915@engin.umich.edu> <1991Apr1.035451.25308@netcom.COM> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 31 In <1991Apr1.035451.25308@netcom.COM> aahz@netcom.COM (Aahzmandius) writes: >One thing which no one has mentioned so far is the analogy between a >phone call and someone coming up to your door and ringing the bell. >It's easy for you to refuse to answer the door, take their picture and >show it to the police if someone persists in harassing you, etc. >Shouldn't you be able to do the same thing with a phone? Actually, the analogy between the phone and the front door has been brought up -- at least it was in the recent discussion of caller ID in misc.consumers. And your example of taking the picture is more analogous to call trace than plain caller ID (call trace, as I understand it, is where you push a button after receiving the harassing call, and the call is traced and the information is forwarded to the police). Some things that came out of the phone/front door analogy: 1) Although you can see who is at your front door, this does not guarantee that you can identify them, or find out any further information about them (as would be the case with caller ID) 2) The person at the front door is not required to show identification -- you can refuse to answer or tell them to leave if they don't, but you cannot force them to show identification -- Milt Epstein Department of Computer Science University of Illinois epstein@cs.uiuc.edu