Xref: utzoo comp.os.msdos.misc:1622 comp.os.msdos.apps:1534 Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!news From: smsmith@hpuxa.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M. Smith) Subject: Re: Window 3.0 is a Pain Message-ID: <1991Apr1.203804.7525@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: hpuxa.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University References: <2151@minnow.sp.unisys.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1991 20:38:04 GMT Lines: 79 In article <2151@minnow.sp.unisys.com> lee@minnow.UUCP (Gene Lee) writes: > >I have been trying to load windows 3.0 on my new DTK 486/25 with no luck. >Windows runs fine if I put it in Real or Standard mode but if I try to >run it in Enhanced mode it dies. The worst thing about it is that it >does not print any error messages, it just goes back to the DOS prompt >while the opening logo screen is still up. > [deletions] >At this point I'm getting really pissed off at windows and am considering >buying Desqview (any opions on that). If anyone has any ideas I'd love >to here them; I don't want to have spent $99 for nothing. > [system hardware deleted] >I've tried adding this lines to the windows SYSTEM.INI file >EMMEXCLUDE=C400-C7FF > >but it didn't help. > >I'd like to hear from anyone with suggestions on getting win3.0 to work >or from anyone with experience on Desqview that would like to convince >me to say the hell with windows. >Gene Lee UUCP: ...!uunet!s5000!minnow!lee >Phone: (612) 635-7147 CSNET: lee@minnow.SP.Unisys.Com Windows 3.0 came bundled with my system, but I went ahead and bought Desqview 386 based on numerous comments from netland. I haven't tried multitasking DOS programs in Windows because Desqview does such a good job of that. I use Windows for "fun" stuff only right now: .bmp images, .rol sound files for my Soundblaster, Fractint for Windows, Solitaire, Chess, etc. Remember that you can run Windows inside Desqview, but only in Standard or Real mode, and in no higher resolution than standard VGA. The neatest thing about Desqview 386 is that it now comes bundled with QEMM (the BEST extended memory manager on the market) and Manifest (the BEST system analyzer on the market--check out PC Mag's recent review). Manifest is GREAT! You can see exactly how your memory is being utilized by each program, you can solve memory conflicts, DMA conflicts, interrupt conflicts, benchmark your memory, check CMOS setup and environment setup, look at all your BIOS addresses, etc., etc.--this program is GREAT, and it runs outside of Desqview as well as within a window under Desqview. I run Windows in Enhanced mode with QEMM loaded, and it works absolutely flawlessly. You not only can place all your drivers in high memory (smartdrive, mouse, etc.--even "files=" and "buffers=") but you can also put them just where you want them to be in high ram. QEMM and Windows 3.0 is really the best combination, even if you don't use Desqview. Why did you try to exclude C400-C7FF? The video BIOS is usually shadowed to the 32k region at C000-C7FF; is this what you intended to "exclude"? To be on the safe side, try the following: EMMEXCLUDE=C000-C7FF (area for shadowed video BIOS) EMMEXCLUDE=F000-FFFF (area for shadowed system BIOS) This will keep your memory manager from messing with any of the shadowed BIOS. If you had QEMM, you could run its analyzer when you start up Windows in Enhanced mode to see what memory conflicts were occuring which might cause Windows to abort. Of course if you had QEMM you might find that the problem mysteriously disappears. ;) I'm assuming that you are loading HIMEM.SYS in the first line of your config.sys file, right? Anyway, there's my $.02. I know how frustrating it can be to try to get things to run the way you want them to. It took me two weeks of agony to finally realize that I had a flaky motherboard utility and that I couldn't use normal keyboard hotkeys to change system configurations when a memory manager was loaded (plus various other time-consuming frustrations). Good luck. Stephen M. Smith \ + / ,,@ ircc.ohio-state. \ + / {7%*@,..":27g)-=,#*:.#,/6&1*.4-,l@#9:-) " edu> \ + / BTW, WYSInaWYG \ + / --witty.saying.ARC