Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!mintaka!geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu!rjc From: rjc@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: Amiga OS *IS* state of the art, but the NeXT is better Message-ID: <1991Apr3.082443.12888@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Date: 3 Apr 91 08:24:43 GMT References: <.$2G0ysf1@cs.psu.edu> <1991Apr3.051014.5474@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Sender: news@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu Distribution: usa Organization: The Internet Lines: 100 In article melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) writes: >In article <1991Apr3.051014.5474@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> rjc@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) writes: > > How can you send fax without a modem or ethernet? Sure NeXT has > an ethernet port, buthow many people can afford an Internet connection? > Voice-Mail from one NeXT to Another in the same computer lab is about > as useful as making a telephone call from your bedroom to your basement. > >It works great acrossed campus. I'm not sure how many Fortune 500 >companies are using ethernet? Voice mail will work through a modem. >It's just a compress'ed tar file. And I guess you'd have to buy a fax >machine to send faxes. Fax machines are pretty common, ya know. ^^^^^^^^^What does this have to do with NeXT? You can get send fax for Amiga, Mac, IBM, etc. To tell ya the truth, I'd rather use the telephone. I can't fancy uploading a multimegabyte sound file just to leave a few seconds of a message that I could have sent in ASCII, or used the telephone. (especially if the personal recieving it has a voice-mailbox system) > I thought you speed wasn't important? First you say your Amiga2500 was > slow (an 030 running AmigaDOS slow? Doubtful), then you say speed > isn't important, now your saying NeXT machines (030) didn't sell > because they were slow? Which is it? > >It was refering to Toolbook, not the A2500. Reread my posting. My >point was Toolbook is incredibly slow, and the people where I work >would rather spend their time developing in it then the Amiga which >looks a helluva lot more impressive. No one uses the loaner A2500. >It will leave here untouch except for a few demos. Damn shame. Too bad, your fellow employee's loss. You'd make more money developign AMiga software than you would doing NeXT software. > How? NeXT's in business/home use? Not bloody likely. You say > Amiga's are game machines? Oh well, this fact alone guarantees that > C= will be around alot longer than NeXT. the C64 market hasn't even > died down yet. Commodore sold a few hundred thousand C64's last year > which is more than the total number of NeXT's world wide. > The C64 may have been a game machine, but a large number of people > still used it to do work. I used it to do all my word processing. > Many people I know ran BBSs on them, programmed, published, and played > games. I can still run more software on my C64 than you could ever hope to > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > run on your NeXT. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >How old are you? So what? It's what runs on your machine, not how ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What does this have to do with it. I've owned Commodore products since 1982. I'm keeping it around for the memories. >much software is available. Come on, think about this. By the way, >if you run acrossed any software that says "Cracked courtesy of the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You sure do know how to increase your credibility on the net, don't you. Sorry, I never heard of you. You weren't in Eagle Soft, ATC, NEC, UCF, or TA which were the major American crack groups. The only Condor I even remotely recall was from a group called 'TSC-The Supreme Council' However, I knew the head of that group personally (He's serving in the persian gulf right now.) so I would know you. I'm not going to reveal my handle since that era of my life is past me, but I was in FBR,Public Enemy, and Conquest, not to mention a few other groups. I never cracked games myself, I programmed the flashy intros/demos for the game loaders. (I also released a few programs to patch games and install cheat modes.) This is all very interesting and brings back memories, but it has nothing to do your arguement. >Condor", that was me. > >I'll let you figure out why Commodore sold more C64's than NeXT sold >NeXT computers. My Commodore 64 system cost approx the same as an Amiga500 does. (C64=$200, 1541=$200, Monitor=$150, printer=$150) My Commodore128 system costed $299 when it first came out, the 1571 disk drive was over $200. Sure Commie 8bit systems were cheap, but not much cheaper than an a500. Especially when the C64 first hit the market. Why don't you figure out why people buy $7000 Mac II systems and not NeXT's? > NeXT isn't going anywhere. There will be 040's out for Amigas and Macs > this year. > >Great statement. The big question is: "How much will they cost?" Well, GVP and Supra (small companies) have quoted prices at $895 list. The Commodore card will probably be cheaper since Commodore can buy 040's and RAM in muchbigger quantities. NeXT owner's act like the no other computer will have an 040 at the same price. I remember NeXT users saying 040 Ami boards would cost $2000. The sad fact is, the headstart that the NeXT had with the 040 isn't going to help. 040's will be availible for the Amiga and Mac this year. >-Mike -- /~\_______________________________________________________________________/~\ |n| rjc@albert.ai.mit.edu Amiga, the computer for the creative mind. |n| |~| .-. .-. |~| |_|________________________________| |_| |________________________________|_|