Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!bagate!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmdeo!jsmami!jsmoller From: jsmoller@jsmami.UUCP (Jesper Steen Moller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer Subject: Re: Lemmings - a tutorial Part V (last) Message-ID: <18ea378c.ARN11fb@jsmami.UUCP> Date: 31 Mar 91 23:52:48 GMT References: <23788@well.sf.ca.us> <23837@well.sf.ca.us> <781@tnc.UUCP> Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmdeo!jsmami!jsmoller (Jesper S. Moller) Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.programmer Organization: Danish SofTech Lines: 75 In article , Tom Limoncelli +1 201 408 5389 writes: [very, very healthy arguments deleted - I have no intention to dig further into this thread] > As soon as your statistical sample (European kids) starts getting > '030s and HDs I'm sure that you'll produce software that I feel like > buying. Too bad it takes so long for Europeans to come up to American > standards. I guess we follow them in fashion and they follow us in... > oh never mind. Yeah - ufortunately "European kids" (of which I might be considered one) has to upto pay twice as much for hardware as you lucky Americans. No wonder we're a bit slow in getting all this new stuff (I am a bit out of the ordinary, as I run an A3000). Not all European kids are OS-nukers - some actually like the qualities of the OS and write nice, multi-tasking (even multi-threading if necessary) programs. But in general it's a different ball-game over here. We get the stuff a lot later than you and the prices are very high. The street price for a raw Quantum LP105S in Denmark is twice the price in the U.S. Someone posted an article on the Europe/USA relationship a long time ago (before the c.s.a split, if I remember correctly). The Amiga 500 owners here are mostly teenagers (like me, but I bought an A1000 instead :) ), who can't afford more than a plain A500, and a hardware tech manual. So they code and code and get quite good at it, but use processor timing loops and move SR, everywhere, because it's the fastest. I never did that, I used C instead and programmed utilities instead, and I was laughed at (in the demo society), until my utilities suddenly got quite good. I wrote a VirusExterminator which made as far as to South America :) but that that never impressed the assembler coders. They still use a plain A500 with two drives and a 501 clone. Except for the ones who got hired to to do some commercial stuff, they add kludges to avoid the bad effects. A discussion like this would help to get some (only a few perhaps) of these "poor European kids" to see that there's another world out there (=overthere), and I would like to give some of the very good and well-argumented articles written in this thread to the unofficial diskmagazines that exist in the European demo-societies. I would have posted Mike Farrens article, but it was copyrighted, and even if 90% of the Amiga society here don't really care about copyrights, I do. I will write a detailed "official warning to ROM jumpers, etc. etc." and give to my demo-contacts, and if anybody would like to write some additional stuff, you can reach be at {rutgers|uunet|pyramid}!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmdeo!jsmami!jsmoller. As these magazines are free, all you can get from this is a go at salvaging some European kids... > Everytime I meet someone looking to trash their 500 and buy an A3000 > they say, "but I don't want to because all my games won't work". Mike > et al seem to have made a captive audience. Mike won't change until > the users do, if Mike had never started the users could upgrade. Mike seems to write compatible programs that work in all Amigas, but haven't got the qualities "we" want (multitasking, HD-support). But the one game that I like runs 25MHz '030 in 2.0 very nicely indeed. But doesn't multitask - a damn shame... > -Tom Jesper > P.S. When someone is considering upgrading, I ask them to try to find > the games that they think won't work on an A3000 running 2.0. Then I > try to get them to notice that if they haven't used those in the last > 6 months, they most-likely won't miss them. Dead right. -- __ Jesper Steen Moller /// VOICE: +45 31 62 46 45 Maglemosevej 52 __ /// USENET: cbmehq!cbmdeo!jsmoller DK-2920 Charl \\\/// FIDONET: 2:231/84.45 Denmark \XX/