Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-picayune.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!jik From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals Subject: Re: Password Pipe Message-ID: Date: 29 Mar 91 20:59:54 GMT References: <13766@helios.TAMU.EDU> <19127@rpp386.cactus.org> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 48 In-Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org's message of 28 Mar 91 15:32:58 GMT In article <19127@rpp386.cactus.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F Haugh II) writes: No, it's worse than that. Did you notice that your posting went to comp.unix.internals? Yes, there is still much confusion in USENET land about where comp.unix.wizards and comp.unix.internals go. The problem is that there are a few sites that still haven't unaliased comp.unix.wizards -> comp.unix.internals. Furthermore, some versions of news (I believe B news is one of them, but I'm not certain) don't just move messages into a different newsgroup in response to aliases -- they actually munge the header of the message before passing it to their downstream sites, something which is completely inappropriate. The last time I saw a message that I know was posted to comp.unix.wizards end up in comp.unix.internals, I took the path of the message and sent mail to "usenet" at every site in the path, asking them to please turn off aliasing if they have it enabled and make comp.unix.wizards a valid group. I got no responses, and I don't know if the people I reached did anything about it, but perhaps you might do the same thing with my previous message if it ended up in comp.unix.internals at your site, because I know I posted it to comp.unix.wizards (and that's where it is at my site). If other people do this when they notice articles that were posted in comp.unix.wizards and migrated because if incorrect aliasing, perhaps the admins with the bad aliases will get enough mail that they will be encouraged to fix things. It is quite possible that the FAQ (which I've not seen posted in weeks either) is getting lost between the various systems which have different ideas about what is what. The FAQ is only posted to comp.unix.questions, and has only been posted there since the reorganization of the comp.unix groups. This is because if Steve Hayman tried to post it everywhere it's relevant, it would have to go in questions, internals, programmer, shell, admin, wizards and possibly others. Perhaps now that wizards is a valid group again, Steve should start cross-posting the FAQ to it. But that sort of leaves the other groups out in the cold. Perhaps it should continue to be posted in c.u.q only, and people should know to check for it there. Or perhaps it should be cross-posted to all the groups that resulted from the reorganization. I don't know, it's a tough call. Jonathan Kamens USnail: MIT Project Athena 11 Ashford Terrace jik@Athena.MIT.EDU Allston, MA 02134 Office: 617-253-8085 Home: 617-782-0710