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From: hon@scs.carleton.ca (Edmund Hon)
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Subject: Re: Obsolescence of the Surface Fleet
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Date: 31 Mar 91 02:43:02 GMT
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From: hon@scs.carleton.ca (Edmund Hon)

In article <1991Mar30.020556.28498@amd.com> kinney@wku.edu (Mark Kinney) writes:
>(NB) have to keep the reactor running. Incidentally, a friend of mine thinks
>that the Komsomolets accident was the result of an attemped reactor shutoff by
>the Soviets (I think he's out of it in this case). At any rate, CS's pay for

Is this the same incident where a Mike class SSN went down off Norway?

>Re: Subs in general: The carrier defense plan accounts for subs. Coordinated
>action with aircraft using MAD's and dipping sonars or sonobuoys can find the
                            ^^^
I don't know if I'm being picky here, but I thought MADs are used for
localizing the contact only, because they have a detection range measured
in hundreds of yards? So normal search for SS/SSNs has to be conducted by
acoustic means?

>or a nearby destroyer can fire a standoff torpedo such as
>ASROC at the contact. In some cases, nearby friendly submarines can be directed
>against the threat.

Related question here: Is the Mk50 torp (a Mk 46 replacement) in service
now? What about the future replacement for SUBROC? (The sea lance?)
Also, is the British Spearfish in service now?

>Re: Mines: Mines are nice, but have this annoying bug, in that they attack
>*everything*. So you have your beaches mined? Great, but if you aren't
>organized about it, what happens when you have to send ships through your own

First of all, I want to ask if anybody has heard of something called
CAPTOR (CAPsuled TORpedo). It is a container with a torpedo inside, 
chained to the bottom of the sea. A very simple passive sonar was 
included. When the acoustic signal of an enemy vessel (surface ship or
sub) is detected, the torp will be released. I saw this on a magazine
article almost 10 years ago, and I wonder if such a thing actually 
exsists.

Now, assuming CAPTOR does exsist, then you can "mine" your beach/port
with these babies without worrying about the safty of your own ships.