Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!olivea!oliveb!veritas!amdcad!amdcad!military From: ruedi@dtoa1.dt.navy.mil (David Ruedi) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Submarines Message-ID: <1991Apr2.065210.15411@amd.com> Date: 1 Apr 91 15:31:49 GMT References: <1991Mar30.020517.28351@amd.com> Sender: military@amd.com Organization: David Taylor Research Center, Bethesda, MD Lines: 164 Approved: military@amd.com From: ruedi@dtoa1.dt.navy.mil (David Ruedi) There have been a number of questions asking for more details on third world subs. So... Here is my definition of third world countries: The group of undeveloped or developing countries of Africa, Asia, and Latin America that do not align themselves with, or are not committed to, the politics of either the United States or the Soviet Union; thus excluding the U.S., the U.S.S.R., NATO and Warsaw Pact countries, Australia, and New Zealand. The following UNCLASSIFIED list of subs is primarily from Jane's and includes some non-third world countries (all are SSs unless otherwise noted): Albania 2 Whiskey Algeria 2 Kilo 2 Romeo Argentina 2 Type 209/1200 2 TR1700 Brazil 1 Type 209/1400 3 Oberon Bulgaria 2 Romeo Chile 2 Type 209/1300 2 Oberon China 15 Whiskey 85 Romeo 3 Ming 1 Golf(SSB) 1 Han(SSN) 1 Xia(SSBN) Columbia 2 Type 209/1200 Cuba 3 Foxtrot Ecuador 2 Type 209/1300 Eqypt 2 Whiskey 10 Romeo India 2 Type 209/1500 6 Kilo 8 Foxtrot 1 Charlie(SSGN) Indonesia 2 Type 209/1300 Libya 6 Foxtrot North Korea 4 Whiskey 17 Romeo Pakistan 2 Agosta 4 Daphne Peru 6 Type 209/1200 4 Mackerel Poland 1 Kilo 1 Foxtrot Romania 1 Kilo South Africa 3 Daphne Syria 3 Romeo Taiwan 3 Hai Lung Venezuela 2 Type 209/1300 Yugoslavia 3 Heroj 2 Sava Total: 225 There are 21 different sub types listed above. Here is some UNCLASSIFIED info on them (again mostly from Jane's): SSN HAN First produced by China in 1974. 330 ft long 5000 LT displ 25 kts 100 men 6-21" torpedo tubes SSGN CHARLIE I First produced by the USSR in 1988. 308 ft long 5000 LT displ 24 kts 100 men 6-21" torpedo tubes SSBN XIA First produced by China in 1987. 394 ft long 8000 LT displ 22 kts 84 men SSB GOLF First produced by the USSR in 1964. 321 ft long 2950 LT displ 13 kts 86 men 10-21" torpedo tubes (6 Bow, 4 Stern) SS HAI LUNG First produced by the Netherlands in 1987. 220 ft long 2660 LT displ 20 kts 67 men 6-21" torpedo tubes Type 209/1500 First produced by W. Germany in 1986. 211 ft long 1850 LT displ 853 ft depth 22 kts 40 men 8-21" torpedo tubes Type 209/1400 First produced by W. Germany in 1989. 200 ft long 1440 LT displ 820 ft depth 22 kts 30 men 8-21" torpedo tubes Type 209/1300 First produced by W. Germany in 1976. 200 ft long 1600 LT displ 820 ft depth 22 kts 33 men 8-21" torpedo tubes Type 209/1200 First produced by W. Germany in 1980. 184 ft long 1290 LT displ 820 ft depth 22 kts 35 men 8-21" torpedo tubes OBERON First produced by the United Kingdom in 1976. 295 ft long 2410 LT displ 17 kts 65 men 8-21" torpedo tubes (6 Bow, 2 Stern) WHISKEY First produced by the USSR in 1960. 249 ft long 1350 LT displ 14 kts 54 men 6-21" torpedo tubes (4 Bow, 2 Stern) KILO First produced by the USSR. 240 ft long 3000 LT displ 985 ft depth 18 kts 45 men 6-21" torpedo tubes ROMEO First produced by the USSR. 252 ft long 1700 LT displ 13 kts 54 men 8-21" torpedo tubes (6 Bow, 2 Stern) MING First produced by China in 1975. 249 ft long 2113 LT displ 985 ft depth 18 kts 56 men 8-21" torpedo tubes (6 Bow, 2 Stern) FOXTROT First produced by the USSR in 1958. 300 ft long 2500 LT displ 13 kts 75 men 10-21" torpedo tubes (6 Bow, 4 Stern) AGOSTA First produced by France in 1979. 222 ft long 1740 LT displ 985 ft depth 20 kts 54 men 4-21" torpedo tubes DAPHNE First produced by France in 1970. 190 ft long 1043 LT displ 985 ft depth 16 kts 45 men 12-21" torpedo tubes (8 Bow, 4 Stern) MACKEREL First produced by the US in 1965. 243 ft long 1400 LT displ 10 kts 40 men 6-21" torpedo tubes (4 Bow, 2 Stern) HEROJ First produced by Yugoslavia in 1968. 210 ft long 1068 LT displ 10 kts 55 men 6-21" torpedo tubes SAVA First produced by Yugoslavia in 1978. 216 ft long 964 LT displ 980 ft depth 16 kts 35 men 6-21" torpedo tubes I don't have, or can't provide, any more information on them. I apologize for the terrible columns but I haven't figured this editor out yet. [ I fixed it up a little, just this once. --CDR] These are my own opinions, NOT the US Governments All information comes from UNCLASSIFIED sources and is not verified by the US Government. LT David H. Ruedi, USN