Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!aero-c!nadel From: jls@rutabaga.UUCP (Jim Showalter) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: does healthy, mutual erotica exist? Message-ID: Date: 26 Mar 91 03:58:27 GMT References: <2995@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> <27e10cc1.3f0f@petunia.CalPoly.EDU> <27e7a8de.4f0c@petunia.CalPoly.EDU> Sender: news@aero.org Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Lines: 29 Approved: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Status: R Originator: nadel@aerospace.aero.org >Although NALS only showed brief excerpts from porno films, the excerpts shown >did not give any hint of consent. See, that's the problem with selective editing and taking things out of context to press an agenda. Many bondage films (not all, but many) make sure to have a disclaimer at the beginning to the effect that everything depicted is consensual and/or even include the dialogue those of us in the scene call "negotiation" before the tying up begins. >They just showed the woman tied up (and >gagged) and apparantly struggling. To me it looked brutal, but perhaps in >the mind of the woman involved it was nonthreatening. Yeah, it probably does look bad to a person who isn't in on the joke. A classical problem of miscommunication. >>Assuming that the women in bondage porn >>are hating it is ethnocentric... >Huh? Ethnocentric? Yes, ethnocentric. As in "drug culture", "SM community", etc. I tend to view the macro-culture called America as largely irrelevant: it is really just a bag containing a large number of much smaller cultures. Typically members of one culture don't "get" members of other cultures, which is what I refer to as "ethnocentrism". -- ***** DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed herein are my own. Duh. Like you'd ever be able to find a company (or, for that matter, very many people) with opinions like mine. -- "When I want your opinion, I'll read it in your entrails."