Path: utzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!csn!boulder!tigger!ralex From: ralex@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Repenning Alexander) Newsgroups: comp.cog-eng Subject: Re: Images vs. Text: Syntactic Issues Message-ID: <1991Apr7.184708.22888@colorado.edu> Date: 7 Apr 91 18:47:08 GMT References: <10292@pitt.UUCP> <1991Apr6.163454.2454@watdragon.waterloo.edu> Sender: news@colorado.edu (The Daily Planet) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 51 Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.colorado.edu Hi there, It appears that there's a spectrum of application domains regarding the applicability of picture-oriented representations. On one side most people agree that having an iconic tool palette in MacDraw-like programs is a good idea. On the other side I could hardly imagine anybody trying to "translate" a telephone book into a bunch of icons. So, there are definitely domains asking for a textual representations simple because we're used to deal with them (right, this is specific to our culture and therefore not generaly true). The question is can we elaborate on this spectrum? Let me try to come up with a very simplistic classification. I realize this is VERY naive and limited to English and alike languages. The following list is sorted from simple to hard: nouns representing real objects: e.g., a horse simple because these nouns can be mapped to a (stereotypical) pictorial representation of the object abstract nouns representing concepts: e.g., a loan cannot be mapped to a single "real" object adjectives simple if property is intrinsically visual, e.g., color otherwise, .. hmmm.. verbs e.g., describe relationships between agent and patient. Without using some sort of animation it is very hard to convey the action associated with a pictorial representation. Agent and/or patient which typically have to be part of the pictorial representation can be missinterpreted as the noun(s) to be represented, e.g., how would you represent the action of sawing? Drawing a saw would most likely imply the noun saw. I'd like to get your opionions. Does it make any sense at all? Maybe part of the problem with picture-oriented representations is that, in contrast to English, picture-oriented representations do not have any defined syntax. You can of course make up a syntax using color, spatial features, explicit relationships (e.g., arcs), etc. Have there been attempts to capture a "natural" syntax for images used by people (I'm not talking about the syntax imposed by individual visual programming systems)? What does it mean on an abstract level when somebody draws a bunch of circles, boxes and lines? What is the minimal set of graphical primitives? Cheers, Alex "no signature" Repenning