Xref: utzoo comp.dcom.lans:7708 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:15571 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!jhereg!andrew From: andrew@jhereg.osa.com (Andrew C. Esh) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans,comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: 10BaseT installation Message-ID: <1991Apr9.224333.13034@jhereg.osa.com> Date: 9 Apr 91 22:43:33 GMT Organization: Open Systems Architects, Inc., Mpls, MN Lines: 56 Well, the boss put the kaibosh on the 10baseT soliloquy, so all I can do is comment on what you folks are talking about. No paper. Something about having to make money and selling information being our business, and all that. I suppose I can say a few things though. 10baseT is easier to install, requires less experience to connectorize, and is more fault tolerant than coax. It is not, as far as we can tell, being hyped by the box builders to generate sales, since we see a legitimate application for it. If you are going to do-it-yourself, make sure you are using cable that is really rated for 10baseT. I have seen so many wierdo cable type from non-descript manufacturers that does no do the job. This cheap stuff is exactly what the cable vendor and your boss with the checkbook are going to choose for you, so be ready with information. Don't even settle for a written guarantee from the cable vendor that it's good wire, since such a guarantee can rarely cover all the trouble and downtime necessary to replace bad cable. Don't go over spec. You need a certain number of twists per foot, and you can't run it further than 100 meters, so stick with it. Fudge, and you pay the price, or more specifically, you pay people like me to come fix it. Cards? We have had trouble with a certain vendor's card. My advice is: It's still early in the game. A few vendors still have cards that don't cut it. Get an in house demonstration from the vendor. They'll do it for free, if they think you're going to buy some cards. Run some data back and forth across them (a process I call flossing), and see if they work okay. The same goes for hubs. Usually a vendor will let you have a demo unit for a week. For PCs, you can use a 3c503 card with a small 10baseT transceiver plugged into the AUI port, and it runs just fine. 10baseT transceivers are getting smaller and cheaper. We have some that are about the size of a deck of playing cards cut in half. They're great. Be careful of EMI. About all I can say is that it gets into 10baseT more than the other cable types. It comes from some interesting places, many of which are common in an office environment. Test equipment? Yes. Use a pair tester. Use a cable scanner. That's about all I can say about that. Want some philosophy? 10baseT, ThinNet, ThickNet, and Fiber are all here to stay. They all have their applications, and none can completely replace any of the others. Add 10baseT to you list of solutions to apply. Networking is growing as we speak. There is a lot of work and discovery and development out there waiting to happen. I started out in Software Engineering, but now I have made the switch to networking, and I travel all seven layers of the OSI stack. I love it. Have fun ... -- Andrew C. Esh andrew@osa.com Open Systems Architects, Inc. Minneapolis, MN 55416-1528 (612) 525-0000 Practicing the OSI Standard