Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!rex!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eagle!data.nas.nasa.gov!wilbur.nas.nasa.gov!eugene From: eugene@nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.visualization Subject: Re: Out of the lab, into the classroom 2nd try Message-ID: <1991Apr5.000214.6623@nas.nasa.gov> Date: 5 Apr 91 00:02:14 GMT References: <1991Apr2.202227.13796@agate.berkeley.edu> <1991Apr3.172156.3960@nas.nasa.gov> Sender: news@nas.nasa.gov Reply-To: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA Lines: 29 Ken wrote: >I'm actually a disgruntled expert systems customer, but I've been >seeing behavior in the visualization types similar to that exhibited >by the expert systems types in their heyday. I was pretty dismayed, >for example, by the Visualization '90 Proceedings and the number of >content-free papers. It's hard to quantify, but I think you're >definitely going need to shake out some of the under-sized apples (if >not actually rotten) before the field can be appraised properly. I >understand this is all pretty new, but I'm tired of the hype. And I'd >certainly be cautious about doing my graduate studies in an >ill-defined discipline like "visualization." Or "knowledge >engineering," for that matter. I know what you mean. I come from a remote sensing/image processing background. Similar claims were made about satellite imagery in the 60s which still have not been applied. We still can't tell the difference between a wheat field and a corn field from space, much less sick versus healthly corn. But I do think that some of the work done in these older areas will find their way into scientific/analytic imaging. I really don't like that word "visualization" and I read that von Neumann didn't like it either. I think I know a way of quantifying an appraisal, but it would see too vicious to pull on the innocent researchers. I used to spend hours looking at single images or stereo pairs. We cannot always expect to get instant single view discoveries or learning. --eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene