Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!metro!extro!objtch From: objtch@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Peter Goodall) Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk Subject: Re: Real world objects? Message-ID: Date: 5 Apr 91 04:08:24 GMT Article-I.D.: extro.objtch.670824504 References: <1991Apr3.065551.22334@idacom.uucp> <1554@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Sender: news@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 50 Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au cohill@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Andrew M. Cohill) writes: [...] >Hopefully, Digitalk will live up to it's promises and as they grow, and get >some better technical support. We knew more than they did after taking >just one week of classes. >It seems to be the curse of software that the really small companies >come out with really good products and really bad support. >-- >| ...we have to look for routes of power our teachers never >| imagined, or were encouraged to avoid. T. Pynchon >| >|Andy Cohill cohill@vtserf.cc.vt.edu VPI&SU It is probably in our best interests to assist. I suggest that if people want to post problems and suggested fixes to any of the Digitalk products I am willing to collate them, and forward to Digitalk. Smalltalk is a fine system, but we need uniformity and more powerful tools. People find Gupta SQL windows more attractive because thay can draw interfaces. That's why Acumen's Widgets or whatever for windows will be very important to us. Digitalk is working on their own interface builder, but they are trying something very ambitious, which has to go back to the drawing board a few times more. The other thing we need is some copyleft tools or at least reasonably priced tools for configuration management. It seems to take some time before people realize that the Class is not the unit of delivery in OO systems. A toolkit or application is delivered as a bunch of methods on a number of classes which may depend on another toolkit - some people call these thingummys frameworks or applications. Version control is also a pain in the .... . ---------------------------- Peter Goodall Smalltalk Systems Consultant ObjecTech P/L 162 Burns Bay Rd, LANE COVE , NSW, AUSTRALIA objtch@extro.ucc.su.oz.au -- Peter Goodall | INTERNET: