Xref: utzoo alt.hypertext:808 comp.cog-eng:1918 comp.graphics:17039 comp.multimedia:275 comp.software-eng:5240 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amdcad!jetsun!pyramid!athertn!hemlock!mcgregor From: mcgregor@hemlock.Atherton.COM (Scott McGregor) Newsgroups: alt.hypertext,comp.cog-eng,comp.graphics,comp.multimedia,comp.software-eng Subject: Re: Images vs. Text Message-ID: <34951@athertn.Atherton.COM> Date: 4 Apr 91 01:48:17 GMT References: <1991Apr03.152708.147@convex.com> <10292@pitt.UUCP> <1991Apr3.031013.27762@watserv1.waterloo.edu> Sender: news@athertn.Atherton.COM Reply-To: mcgregor@hemlock.Atherton.COM (Scott McGregor) Followup-To: alt.hypertext Distribution: na Organization: Atherton Technology -- Sunnyvale, CA Lines: 49 In article <1991Apr03.152708.147@convex.com>, cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes: >Yes, and that's very nice. But what does the picture _mean_? "Rent your >horse here"? "Horse crossing"? "Don't forget to feed the horse"? "The horse >is a large quadruped ruminant mammal"? "Horses were not indigenous to North >America, but were imported by the Conquistadores"? I don't understand how this is *necessarily* different between an image vs. a textual representation. This is not a matter of semantics, but of pragmatics. An image of a horse and the textual string "horse" have precisely the same semantics (*mean* the same thing), but the question of how the image or text is intended to be used is dependent upon the speaker's intent, the context of the conversation, and other situational aspects most often analyzed using "speech act" linguistic theory. Peter's apology to Wittgenstein belies an awareness of this point. So, I can't see how the representational form (picture vs. text) matters unless Peter is making a specific claim about the context in which the communication takes place, and is saying that a textual representation would have a conventional usage in that context, and that a pictorial representation not being conventionally used that way would therefore be confusing. If so, I do not agree that it is inherently more likely that text would be more conventional. A picture of a horse on a yellow diamond on a roadway is more conventionally used to mean "horse crossing" than the text string "horse" alone on a sign in that situation. Whether a picture or a text string is less ambiguous due to its conventional use in a given situation can go either way. Or does Peter claim that people would conventionally attempt to give more semantic meaning (i.e. give a whole sentance) with text than they bother to in general with pictures. I might agree, because picture production is often more time consuming, and *semantically* equivalent text often consumes less space. I am curious to understand if others assume the former interpretation or the latter. To get back to the original question about the superiority of pictures over text, let me note that while I am sure Peter had an intent to convey his position on this issue through his text, it wasnt' perceived by me. This does not at all mean that a graphic rendition would have improved the matter (i.e. graphics is not superior for all situations), but demonstrates that precise communication in both forms is troublesome even by skilled practitioners. Moreover, in evaluating the superiority or inferiority of a particular form, it is important to consider the "pragmatics" aspects of the situation such as existing conventions, the likelihood of skillful creation (by the sender) and interpretation (by the recipients), as well as the likely costs of incomplete or incorrect interpretation. Scott McGregor