Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!exodus!randolph From: randolph@cognito.Eng.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: The end of privacy... and so what comes next? Summary: The spectrum of openness Message-ID: <11197@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: 6 Apr 91 18:21:43 GMT References: <10777@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1991Apr1.180311.5557@eff.org> <63565@bbn.BBN.COM> <1991Apr5.213419.1489@eff.org> <1991Apr06.060552.29814@looking.on.ca> Sender: news@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed Lines: 42 Brad, your observation that life is now being wrenched between near-total publicity and deep, dark secrecy is a good one. Historically, I propose that social openness varies; I'd mark some of the variations like this: Police state -- the gov't tries to collect as much information about you as possible so that they can control behavior they dislike, or maybe just brutally invade people's lives. Society becomes a network of snitches, and personal information is jealously guarded. Travel and communications are restricted so that you are kept in the web of police control. Urban mercantile -- major businesses collect information relevant to behavior in their markets. There are no central files, but there is a vast amount of personal data floating around in local files and in the minds of shopkeepers. Society as a whole is suspicious of secrets. Monitored communication is encouraged; truly private communication discouraged (think of the NSA censorship of cryptographic research). Travel is likewise encouraged as long as it is public. Members of unpopular groups have the choice of staying in their place somewhere on the margins of society or subjection to heavy social pressure (bigotry) and inconsistenly enforced laws. This, of course, is the contemporary USA. Feudal bourgeois -- society is mainly rural, and communications among the majority of population is mainly by word of mounth. In the small cities, information is jealously guarded. A city is not one vast open social network; rather the cities are heavily divided by guild and tribal loyalties. Architecture reflects this: spaces are designed in a hierarachy of privacy; only the markets are truly public and these are heavily controlled -- a historical model for this is the streets of the old Arab cities. The only one of these models that I am sure survivies in cyberspace is the police state. Are the others even possible? And are other models possible? nd t ou ui R Press T __Randolph Fritz sun!cognito.eng!randolph || randolph@eng.sun.com ou ui Mountain View, California, North America, Earth nd t