Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!mcnc!taco!hobbes!kdarling From: kdarling@hobbes.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: Amiga Custom Chips - why hasn't C= made them faster? Message-ID: <1991Apr6.065959.5656@ncsu.edu> Date: 6 Apr 91 06:59:59 GMT References: <1991Apr2.235710.13984@news.iastate.edu> <20324@cbmvax.commodore.com> <20354@cbmvax.commodore.com> Sender: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: North Carolina State University Lines: 42 In jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) writes: >In <1991Apr2.235710.13984@news.iastate.edu> xgr39@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU writes: >>[ flames about commodore not having introduced new chip sets...] > > Stupid me, for responding to M. Barrett, but.... > A quick head-count around here reveals that software guys are >outnumbered by chippies, not even counting hardware guys like Dave. However, >no amount of torture will get out of me they work on... ;-) As usual, you >have absolutely no concept what you're talking about. Hate to say it, but that last sentence was a cheap shot. Gee, of _course_ he has no concept of what y'all are doing: you don't _tell_ anyone . But is it fair to say "I can't tell ya", and then turn around and blast that same person for NOT knowing what you're doing? And besides, you can see messages every day on most Amiga nets/forums from lotsa owners who come up with wishes and flames over what will/won't be done to upgrade Amiga gfx... this is a hot topic. Sure, MB is an "approved" target for rebuttals, but _everybody_ is wondering. > Also, Sun (a relatively high-end (and thus high-overhead)) startup >would be expected to put more % into R&D. They have far bigger margins, and >your figures were as a percentage of total sales. Then repost R&D figures as a percentage of profits, or whatever it takes! Otherwise you're again just fighting his flames with smoke and mirrors. > As for Commodore, we understand quite well the issues involved, and >your comments do nothing more than act as catharsis for you (apparently, you >need a lot of catharsis) (and of course to annoy people reading them). > followups to .advocacy... Looks like this kind of cathersis works for both sides ;-). Mind you, I'm sympathetic to your situation. I've been in the same spot myself: under fire but unable to reveal what's being done (and the bad part is, the secrecy rarely has a decent reason to exist). The difference is that we always just took the flammage... it comes with the territory of secrets. I think that blasting MB is similar to the Scud attacks on Israel... it can only build up sympathy for the target. In any case, best wishes to the chippies! - kev