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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga OS *IS* state of the art
Message-ID: <1935.tnews@templar.actrix.gen.nz>
Date: 6 Apr 91 00:44:30 GMT
References: <1991Mar28.051303.4703@grebyn.com> 
 <1991Mar29.184119.5083@sugar.hackercorp.com> <1762.tnews@templar.actrix.gen.nz> <1991Apr2.191525.26491@sugar.hackercorp.com>
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG.
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Quoted from <1991Apr2.191525.26491@sugar.hackercorp.com> by peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva):
> In article <1762.tnews@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
> > Quoted from <1991Mar29.184119.5083@sugar.hackercorp.com> by peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva):
> > > You can reboot the IBM-PC clone in my bedroom all you want, and unless
> > > you bring your own O/S in with you you will not be able to defeat the

> >     Hm. I take a DOS disk out with me when visiting people whose machines
> >     need fiddling with at work. And a disk editor, and a binary file

> I don't expect people to be carrying bootable DOS disks when they go visiting
> friends. I'm not one of the folks whose machines "need fiddling at work". Do

    Note that if I (or the average person who was interested in lifting
    data off it) visited the PClone in your bedroom, it would not be as a
    friend. My point (which is still valid), was that it is ridiculous to
    rely on people NOT having boot disks on their person.

    That is a luser's fantasy, as far as security issues go. Kind of like
    trusting MS-DOS to be 100% compatible up the line, or that using
    the R,S and H bits on MS-DOS files makes them secure. When you invite
    someone to trash your machine, you'll have to take better measures than
    this to stop them.

    I believe this was the original issue, right? PC security?

    However, I don't carry these disks to mess with people's security.
    The disks constitute my equivalent of a serviceman's toolbox, when I'm
    asked to go and visit other parts of the bank, or customers. Last
    thing I need to have happen when I go to modify a file is to be stuck
    with Word or edlin. Same thing applies to the people who install our
    software (except that they like edlin :), who even carry
    screwdrivers.

> you actually go visiting people at home with an MS-DOS boot disk? If so, I
> would suggest getting a life.

    I don't. I have nothing to do with PClones on my own time, other
    than that lots of bulletin boards seem to run on them. How about
    keeping the "life" drivel to yourself, though. I have one, it is this,
    and it's much nicer when Real World folks practise a bit of self-
    control when they feel the urge to give out amateur (though free, I
    guess) psychoanalysis...

> Peter da Silva.   `-_-'
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