Path: utzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!hsdndev!spdcc!tauxersvilli!alphalpha!nazgul From: nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo Subject: Re: The Hardy Few Message-ID: <1991Apr6.174414.5461@alphalpha.com> Date: 6 Apr 91 17:44:14 GMT References: <1991Apr5.023527.16647@alphalpha.com> <1991Apr6.072832.4012@cs.ubc.ca> Distribution: comp,world Organization: none Lines: 59 In article <1991Apr6.072832.4012@cs.ubc.ca> pphillip@cs.ubc.ca (Peter Phillips) writes: >Well, I understand that a lot of old time Apollo users would like to >see DM stuff ported. As a new Apollo user interested in UNIX >compatiblity, I'd rather see Apollo devote some of their diminishing >resources to getting the bugs out of the current UNIX emulation under >Domain/OS before they go and re-write the "Display Manager" for X. Why? Why not have them spend the resources making OSF/1 better? I see no point at all in fixing Unix bugs in Domain/OS at this point in time. It's a dead-end. If you care about Unix then you'd rather see the Domain/OS features you like ported to OSF/1. Also, I'm not talking about putting the DM on X for the sake of old diehards. I'm talking about improving X by putting 10 years worth of graphical window-system experience to good use. >I'd rather have some psuedo-ttys that work properly than a window >manager for X which likes to put a window on top of the current window >and then beeps at you because a there is output in a window it just >obscured :-). How do you tell there's output in an X window if it's obscured? >Are Suns really that bad? Try getting "gdb" and the X11R4 release This is pretty funny! "Are Suns really that bad? Try running software that Sun didn't write." You've pretty much answered your own question :-). My impression in general is that Apollo's Unix has some fundamental flaws and some major bugs. Everyone else's Unix is basically all there, but has lots and lots of tiny little bugs. >from MIT. If you find bugs, report them. As for NFS, it has at least BTW. Where do I report them to? I haven't tried reading the docs yet. >two advantages over the Apollo file system: I don't particularly care to get into a features comparison. All I'm saying is that the Apollo file system is much more reliable, stable and fast. I have no illusions about having it anywhere else. I just hope the OSF/AFS learns from the mistakes of both Apollo and Sun's file systems. >implementations of the (sort of) same operating system. Come to think >of it, the same reasons apply to X. I've been using Unix for 10 years. I know the advantages (and disadvantages) by now. >For completeness, I should probably make some sort of motor vehicle >analogy but I can't think of an apt one at the moment. Unix is an old MG; fun, but not very practical. Apollo's job is to produce a Miata. A car with the pizzaz of an MG; but including all the modern conveniences that we've come to expect. Hey, what do you expect after being awake for two days? :-) -- Alfalfa Software, Inc. | Poste: The EMail for Unix nazgul@alfalfa.com | Send Anything... Anywhere 617/646-7703 (voice/fax) | info@alfalfa.com I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's.